Hunting images too much

Hunting images too much

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To the Editor:

While reading the January 30 edition of The Times, (“On Martha’s Vineyard, women embraced by huntings bonds”) I was very surprised to see a picture of a dead deer being dragged from the woods. The fact that Nelson Sigelman spent two pages rejoicing that women are now taking part in the killing that masquerades as sport is fairly disturbing.

There is more than enough violence displayed in the news every day. From terrorist attacks, to civil wars, to random and increasingly prevalent shootings, we are nearly overwhelmed with scenes of death and destruction. To now have to read about the exaltation to be gained from killing innocent creatures is too much.

Perhaps Mr. Sigelman longs for the days when he could grab his spear, Cavewrecker, and go out to slay a mastodon, but those days are thankfully gone. However, if he wishes to peel down to his boxers, get a sharp stick and go hunting deer, that would make a much more interesting article. At least then the match would be less one-sided.

Bruce Yauney

Vineyard Haven


  1. There was no masquerading done in this article. It is a sport. It is enjoyed by many islanders. But comparing killing a deer and displaying the pictures to terrorism and the civil war? Please.

        1. I’ll go along with that statement when the whitetails learn to use Winchester 94’s….

          1. No rifles on the vineyard, well I guess a black powder these days is rifled bore. Hunting mature whitetail is an incredible challenge. With that said some days are easier than others and I only hunt archery.

      1. While I whole-heartedly support hunting as a means of feeding oneself without inflicting the greater damage resulting from agriculture, I agree that “sport” is a poor term to describe the hunt. The description is inaccurate, and the connotation is negative. Unfortunately, a better term has yet to evolve.

  2. I agree with Mr. Yauney, The photos were In my opinion very bad taste. Hunter’s like to hunt and that is fine, but to post photos is just not right!! We see enough violence everyday in the crazy world we live in today, we do we feel the need to add to it?

  3. Stop n Shop shows pictures of steaks all the time and that’s just hacked-up dead cows…

    So are lions and wolves cheating because they have sharp teeth and therefore an unfair advantage? When has nature ever been “fair”?

    Now, if it were pictures of them field stripping or skinning…maybe a bit much for your average islander. Hunting deer has been a big part of life on this island long before we showed up. You’re entitled to your opinions just like everyone else is entitled to their right to read a story about women finding an empowering activity that puts unprocessed food on the table.

  4. this was wrong to write about this. What a shame. This should not be glorified. I completely agree with Mr. Yauney, and I know many others who feel the same way. Hunting is NOT cool. Peace is the way. Have a nice life shooting innocent creatures. If you like the being in the woods try meditation or hiking or biking as opposed to murdering. If you really want meat that much, go buy some organic meat at the store with the $ you would have spent on guns and ammo. I don’t care about any rebuttals,….because I’m 100% RIGHT.

    1. Whoa, so it is okay for you to go to the store and buy some organic meat wrapped in plastic and sterilized but not okay for others to go out into the woods and hunt for their truly organic food in the most balanced way for the environment? Your argument has no validity but of course you don’t care because you are 100% right…NOT!

    2. This is the most convoluted logic Ive read in a while, and thats saying something. Where on earth do you think meat at the store comes from? They are actual animals (never thought Id need to explain that to anyone). Deer overpopulation is a problem on this island. If they werent hunted many hundreds would starve to death because of the finite resources here. Next time you feel the need to offer up your crunchy advice, go and get your facts straight.

    3. I don’t always eat red meat, but when i do. I eat venison. Keep hunting my friends.

  5. Why is the picture of a dead deer such a problem. I’ve never heard anyone complain about the fishing derby winners pictures in the paper holding a dead fish. Even pictures of kids holding them and still no complaints. Makes no sense to me.

  6. If you read the article all ate their kill. A couple will have deer burgers for the rest of the winter. I noticed stop and shop prices were up this week. It might not be for sport, some people put food on the table. Shellfishing too.

  7. Some object to the posting of images of dead animals resulting from the hunt, but I do not. It is important that we understand where our food comes from so that we may make healthy, humane, and sustainable choices in selecting our diet. If only it were possible to capture the image of death resulting from agriculture, then the revulsion that some experience in viewing the dead animal in the woods might be diminished. I refer not only to the scene of livestock raised in poor conditions and then subsequently slaughtered; I refer also those wild species destroyed for the purpose of growing broccoli, barley and beans. Those who purchase their meals at the grocery store overlook the fact that agriculture (yes, even plant agriculture) requires the elimination of every individual, of every major species, inhabiting those fields and orchards. Diverse ecosystems are destroyed, to be replaced with exotic mono-cultures that serve no species but mankind. The damage extends beyond the obvious point of impact as chemicals dumped into the air, water and soil travel offsite and as water is diverted from sensitive aquatic ecosystems. By recent estimate, agriculture is the greatest cause of extinction world-wide, as well as the single greatest source of greenhouse gas.

    Yet, somehow, it remains possible for the supermarket shopper to imagine he does no harm–that the animals that escape the initial crush of the plow simply move in with their neighbors, on the surrounding wild land, if any such exists. He ignores the fact that populations are limited by the amount of food and cover available, and so pretends that those animals displaced dies happily, of old age, rather than by starvation and disease.

    When the hunter takes her deer from the woods, another will take its place, surviving on the resources freed by the removal of the first. The impact on animal populations in minimal and, above all, habitat is left intact to provide for the needs of future generations of wildlife. Is this really so obscene, given the alternative?

    What is really needed are more photographs, revealing the story that so many refuse to accept–that our existence comes at a price for those creatures with which we co-exist. Perhaps if we compared the cost in terms of environment and animal welfare, the deer dragged from the woods would not be viewed as disgusting by those who otherwise fail to recognize their own impact.

    1. well written. No one can object to people hunting for food. It is the way of man, uh, woman. If anyone remembers the Windfarm, they always raised rabbits for consumption, and taught that we should know the source of our store bought meat. The points made here are very valid. However, I felt there were too many photos of grinning women posed with dead animals, as if the photographer could not take his eyes off the subject (deer? woman?) I see there is another photo in this week’s paper with a man posing with a dead buck. What’s the point? no pun intended.

      1. “What’s the point?”

        I have to agree with you there. I would much rather see a photograph of the country that the deer was in. Leave the people out, especially.

          1. I understand. I hunt and my life revolves around quality time spent outdoors. I am only agreeing with your point about the photos.

  8. Mr.Yauney, you are certainly entitled to your opinion and I thank you
    for sharing it with our community. Here is my opinion of which I too
    am entitled. I was born here, I work here, I hunt here, I grow vegetables here and I when I’m not here I reside in Gunnison, Colorado. There, I study in part the
    very subject you seem to feel so knowledgeable and opinionated about.
    As an outdoor education major at Western State Colorado University I
    have completed courses in anthropology, sociology, psychology,
    sustainability, LNT (Leave No Trace), and many, many more. You sir,
    in a historical and literal sense, are a fine example of
    the degradation of what it is to be a man. For thousands of
    years men (and in certain cultures women) have been the hunters and
    protectors of their families. It is only in recent history that
    mankind has been given the choice to let others (i.e. cattle farmers,
    butchers) do the work of harvesting and processing the food that we
    both as a nation and as a global population, consume. Perhaps you
    should should keep your thoughts to yourself unless you are well
    informed unless you don’t mind being corrected by someone who is.
    With all the flaws in our modern society today I do not blame you for
    your arrogant and ignorant letter to the editor and wish you the
    Cody T. Chandler

    1. Cody,I think you are the ignorant and arrogant one.As you yourself stated in the beginning of your response,we are all entitled to our own opinions.

    2. I don’t see how bringing up how people lived in the past has anything to do with the questions raised. Only recently have we had the automobile,vaccinations,the abolition of slavery or countless other things. No one would say you are less of a man for getting a flu shot or not beating your children. Yet those are both recent developments.

      1. There comes a point in many cases where advantages become disadvantages. That is all I’m going to say.

  9. While you may be right that the news displays more violence than in the past you are factually incorrect in your assertion of “increasingly prevalent shootings”. Over the last 20 years murders committed by people using guns as a weapon have declined 39%. The use of guns in other crimes has decreased by over 70%.

  10. Indeed you are entitled to your opinion. Some people just think we go out and get deer as easy as shooting fish in a barrel. This couldn’t be farther from the truth. Everyone who hunts knows that in the woods deer have the Edge over any hunter. We have five senses and sometimes I think they might have eight or nine. When a harvest is made
    Not only is there a physical but also a mental connection with the animal. To actually harvest one of the most cautious animals in the woods one can only have self pride and a sense of accomplishment. How is having pictures of island deer hunters with their harvest male or female any different than the hundreds of pictures taken during the month long striped bass and bluefish derby? When I harvest a deer I almost say a blessing as you might call it thanking the deer for giving it’s life so I can eat. Think about the thousands of cows that are slaughtered each day. do you think they are thanked before they are killed by the numbers in slaughter houses? I think not. We as hunters we are actually doing the island a favor by culling the overpopulation of deer that are the number one spreaders of lime disease. In the end we aren’t going anywhere and hunting will be a part of the island forever.

  11. Taking your picture with your kill is no different than getting your picture taken with the Stanley Cup except you earned your kill shot.

  12. The Times does have an antiquated editorial policy on a few issues and this is certainly another.The killing of some animals by some people by some methods is something to be celebrated while talk of killing other animals by other means is forbidden.As a society we are moving away from celebrating the suffering and pain animals are subjected to. The Times is behind the times, if you will.
    Just imagine your beloved family pet in place of one of the animals in the pictures to see the hypocrisy present in the aforementioned article.

    1. Or, consider the hypocrisy in criticizing an editorial and photograph describing hunting, while never raising an eyebrow in response to a lasagna recipe and accompanying photo.

  13. I agree with the letter above. The island is a peaceful place with many beautiful creatures. If some of our residents wish to hunt, that is their prerogative, however we don’t need to look at these dead animals in full color on the front page. Everyone knows the paper likes to raise eyebrows, which is fine but this seems a bit low. To me it seemed gross. Besides we have many young kids look at this paper and its photos.