Trump, the chosen one?

1. I was thinking the other day that Jesus reminds me a lot of Trump. In the story about the Canaanite woman, in particular.

   I disagree with the touchy-feely modern notion that Christ’s main message was love. His main message was “follow me or suffer”. Paraphrased, but that’s what it boils down to. I don’t see how that’s much different than all politicians trying to sell us on the idea that we must choose them in order to thrive. Religion and politics are basically the same. The many are supposed to show devotion to the few so that the latter can benefit.

   1. *Suppose it would be more accurate to say that Trump reminds me of Jesus, given that Jesus is a little older. ? Oops.

2. The book of Daniel teaches us that the most high God lifts up who He will and takes down who He will. He did so with David and Solomon, both deeply flawed leaders. Trump was the only individual who could have won in a general election of the many who ran. Christians saw it as a cultural counter-revolution and an answer to prayer. So many journalists were out of touch about the extent of Trump’s growing support and didn’t realize the huge Christian prayer movement that was undergirding the Trump campaign. For conservative voters, issues like moral decay and the downward spiritual spiral in which the country was headed were front and center. Legalizing abortion and same sex marriages were some of the specific reasons conservatives believed were under attack. As it got closer to election day, America was faced with a good possibility of a Clinton win with polls showing her in the lead with a 70 to 99 percent chance to win. I thought she would win. Had Clinton won, her administration would have continued America’s lurch to the left and would have been a doorway to a new era of corruption like nothing we had ever seen. Trump represented a supernatural answer to prayer even if he didn’t come in the package people wanted. Many conservatives said that we don’t know where Donald Trump is going to end up taking us, but we know exactly where Hillary Clinton would take us. For Bible-believing Christians, Trump would be the most unlikely candidate anyone could imagine .Trump managed to win the confidence of enough voters to overcome seemingly insurmountable odds. The faith factor was brought up throughout Trump’s campaign, often at the amusement of his critics. The biggest impact this election would have on our nation would involve who the next president appoints to fill vacancies on the Supreme Court. On the night of the election, there was a Facebook live prayer event shared by 1.3 million people. Other evangelicals let believers know that it absolutely mattered who our next president would be. People mobilized ten thousand intercessors to join in prayer walks in seven of the critical states that helped Trump win in November. Believers around the world said that they were praying for Trump’s election. God had answered our prayers and the impossible had happened. We had a new president: one we believed God had raised up for such a time as this. I now await the usual ridicule but that is the story in a nutshell.

   1. Why would same-sex marriage contribute to moral decay while chronic cheating, sleeping with paid prostitutes, and sleeping with porn actresses is permitted? You were just saying that you think monogamy is a good thing. People wanted the right to marry because they agree with you.

   2. Andrew– your comment is way beyond the “usual ridicule” .
      If christiand were praying for trump to be elected the president, and you think their prayers actually helped sway the election, you have even more problems than most of us think.
      Did god vote–? How many times… ? I hear he can be everywhere at once.. I think that he illegally voted at least 3 million times.. Now you have given us reason to believe we need to annul the election because spirits (witches, I guess) interfered in the election…
      Lucky for the republican party, we reigned in those early christians (the puritans ) and we have laws against burning witches and heretics.

      1. dondondon. Absolutely I prayed and so did millions with me. And I dont have any problems. I eat ribeyes in quantities previously unknown to man and keep my Lexus idling when I stop somewhere. We dont burn witches because we know they dont exist just like we dont set mousetraps in a house with no mice, so those laws are moot. God didnt vote. He directed His hand with immaculate providence by which He, with wisdom and love, cares for and directs all things in the universe. In this case he rendered certain the election of Trump and will do so again in 2020. I will now check myself into an insane asylum dondondon

         1. That was an unexpected reply. Made me giggle.

            Don: You have problems.

            Andrew: I do not, I eat whole cows.

            What? Also, what?

            Sorry, carry on. If your creatinine levels will allow it.

   3. Nothing about trump is “immaculate.” Wait…God has a hand? A real, physical, hand? Does that mean God has fingernails? What does God use as a nail clipper?

   4. Andrew, why don’t you pray Trump is removed from office, like you are bring told to do? After all, you say it worked getting him in, now get him out.

3. People need to stop confusing the Bible with the Constitution. Religions are a sham.

4. Hold on, I thought Tom Brady was the chosen one

   1. Nahhh just the goat

5. Toxic mind control, sycophancy, and a judgemental hatred for “otherness” is what drives this “chosen one” garbage. The far right is a bigoted cult religion based on fear, fairy tales, and outright lies. It not only is fake-Christian and a grave distortion of real Christianity, it is anti-American. Right wing evangelical conservates are exactly what the founders of our country wanted to protect us from– using any religion to disrespect the Constitution and Bill of Rights as a means to their sick, selfish and insane ends, with no regard for reality. History books will make mincemeat of Trump and his sycophants. No sane and moral person thinks that the most immoral and unethical person ever to be President is anything but an ignorant, lying, conman bum. Ironically, evangelicals have done more damage to Christianity than their devil ever could.

6. Jackie:You could use ‘loathe’ or ‘despise’ or ‘abhor’ or even ‘execrate’. to add to your rant. I wonder if you have misanthropic predispositions?

   1. “What qualifies an outside critic to define the truth of a man’s faith or the purity of the thoughts in his heart?”~Andrew

      Wondering about ME again, Andrew? Those words, ‘loathe, despise, abhor, and execrate’ are yours, not mine, and expose what is in your heart. Last week you told me you imagine that I “hate” you. The week before that, and many other times, you have told me, from your born-again distortions and ignorance of what it means to be a Jew, how I should think, act, and feel as a Jew. Now you want me to use the vocabulary that is in your heart?

      Wonder about this, Andrew, an editorial from Christianity Today that says Trump should be removed from office and why:
      “To the many evangelicals who continue to support Mr. Trump in spite of his blackened moral record, we might say this: Remember who you are and whom you serve. Consider how your justification of Mr. Trump influences your witness to your Lord and Savior. Consider what an unbelieving world will say if you continue to brush off Mr. Trump’s immoral words and behavior in the cause of political expediency. If we don’t reverse course now, will anyone take anything we say about justice and righteousness with any seriousness for decades to come? Can we say with a straight face that abortion is a great evil that cannot be tolerated and, with the same straight face, say that the bent and broken character of our nation’s leader doesn’t really matter in the end?”

      https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2019/december-web-only/trump-should-be-removed-from-office.html

      The “unbelieving world”, the sane world, and real believers KNOW that evangelicals who support trump (and see him as chosen) are fake christians.

7. It’s not just religion and politics that have been so disastrously confused — it’s religion and politics and *spectator sports.* If we could all get it through our heads that politics really isn’t a spectator sport and that it doesn’t matter who the MVP of the moment is, we all be a lot better off.

8. Now that evangelicals have been told by their peeps over at Christianity Today not to support trump, how long will it take them to allow the latest mind-control to set in? If Trump’s latest obscenity, attacking a grieving widow, isn’t enough to crack the sick resolve of this cult, nothing is. Serious question: what kind of god do evangelicals worship, one who honors a grossly obscene “chosen one” pig like trump over the sorrow of a good Christian woman? Interesting to note that rats do not abandon ship immediately. They wait for their fellow rats to start jumping first.

   1. Jackie. The editor of CT will be gone by January 3. Most evangelicals ignore CT. You don’t understand basic Christianity. We chose our spiritual leaders carefully but not our secular leaders. We would like Trump to be different but we love his policies and he was put there by God for a reason. A devout Catholic doesn’t support abortion on demand nor same sex marriage. Whatever Pelosi is, she ain’t a devout Catholic.

      1. Andrew loves Trump policies of separating immigrant children from their parents. Andrew loves that Trump attempted to bribe a foreign government. Andrew loves the wall that immigrants climb over. Does Andrew love the policy of stealing from one’s own charity? Why not? It’s what fake-christians do, and then they quote meaningless bible passages.

      2. From Howard Thurman, pastor, philosopher, civil rights pioneer, and former dean of Boston University’s Marsh Chapel and professor of Theology:

         “When the song of the angels is stilled,
         when the star in the sky is gone,
         when the kings and princes are home,
         when the shepherds are back with their flocks,
         the work of Christmas begins:
         to find the lost,
         to heal the broken,
         to feed the hungry,
         to release the prisoner,
         to rebuild the nations,
         to bring peace among the people,
         to make music in the heart.”

         May we all experience the generosity of spirit Dr. Thurman espouses in our own lives, and the courage to offer it outward to others. Ramen.

      3. Andrew–you say “We chose our spiritual leaders carefully ”
         A good at those carefully chosen leaders should give those of us who do not understand christianity a pretty good look at what christianity is about.
         So lets take a look–
         Billy Graham said in 1972 that “satanic Jews” dominated the news media. After first denying the quotes, Graham apologized in 2002 when audio of them surfaced.
         Franklin Graham ( Billy’s son)   has flat out called Islam “evil and very wicked.”

         Pat Robertson said “The feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women. It is about a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians.” But Pat has plenty to tell the true believers:
         https://www.liveabout.com/stupid-pat-robertson-quotes-2734325

         Then there was Jerry Falwell, commenting 2 days after the 9-11attacks–” The abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that the Pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America, I point the finger in their face and say: you helped this happen.”
         Jim And Tammy Bakker stole from the flock so they could have a lavish personal life style for themselves and their dog could have an air conditioned dog house. And of course they were outed for being involved in a sex scandal, as were many other carefully chosen christian leaders . And let’s not forget the pedophile priests.
         By analyzing the words and actions of so many carefully chosen spiritual leaders, we , the indoctrinated, may now conclude this about christianity. :

         It is a religion that consist of many liars, thieves, adulterers and sexual predators. It teaches it’s followers that women who want a more equal opportunity society are infanticidal witches who hate the nuclear family concept. They are socialist who are the cause of divorce that destroy capitalism and become lesbians. It teaches that Jews are satanic, Muslims are evil, and terrorist, as well as natural disasters such as hurricanes and floods are directed by god herself to punish people who live their lives in ways the christians disapprove of.
         Yup– That’s about what I thought…
         I think I’ll stick with the colander.
         Ramen

      4. Andrew– you know nothing about Catholics.

9. It should be noted that evangelicals are now in the crosshairs of the chosen one who, in his usual quid-pro-quo-ish way, claims no president has done more for religion itself than he has. Lol.

   1. Drumpf has achieved the nearly impossible. He might be the first self proclaimed “DEVOUT CHRISTIAN” who has never, ever set foot in a house of worship.

      1. BeBop, are you seriously not aware of Trump’s relationship with the historic Marble Collegiate Church in Manhattan, and it’s world-famous pastor Norman Vincent Peale? Didn’t someone here mention ‘low-information voters’? Ahem.

         1. B.G., so God favors political candidates? Did God tell you this in an email? Maybe, you awoke to find special reading glasses and a manuscript by your bedside. You put on the spectacles to read, “Bart, go forth and vote for the Chose One, who scorns flush toilets and dishwashers, who mocks cripples and chastises the fallen war hero in My Name?”

         2. bart — Obama was baptized into the United Church of Christ (UCC) denomination and formally joined it in 1988, spent nearly 20 years going to the Trinity United Church of Christ nearly every week, and got married there. While president , he worshiped with a Baptist pastor at Camp David , He still attends services at a christian church to this day.
            If one can look at that, and conclude he is a Muslim, then I think BeBop can state that drumpf has never entered a house of worship.
            There may be plenty of low information voters on both sides, but I will take low information voters over those that believe lies, and spread those lies any day.

            1. Thanks for reminding us about this. How could anyone spend 20 years listening to the hate spewed by ‘Rev’ Jeremiah Wright. One sermon should be enough for a reasonable person to seek ‘spiritual’ direction elsewhere. Despite being ‘outraged and saddened’ by the ‘Rev’s spewing of hate….Obama did attend for 20 years (as you stated). That speaks for itself about the ‘character’ of Obama.

         3. I did forget Marble Church, where Marla and Donald caused such a stir and embarrassment over their affair while Donald was still married but cheating, for a change. How Christian of him. Chosen by god, for sure. Just add it to his list of disgusting behaviors. He was never a member of that church, BTW, he went there and talked about liking listening to the pastor, but Trump has never said anything about having a spritual life. He also at one point was asked to donate to a new roof and after telling the pastor what he should do with and that part of the contruction, Trump told the pastor that his advice was worth $100,000 and gave not one penny. What a pig, no? Marble has tried to distance itself from the cheating, lying pig.. I mean, from the president. They don’t want the association.

            Bart Gee, not sure why you would remind people of something that makes Trump look so repulsive and unchristian– I thought you were a supporter, but maybe it’s that youre in no position to talk about low-information voters.

            https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/06/nyregion/donald-trump-marble-collegiate-church-norman-vincent-peale.html

10. Trump was chosen by 48 million American voters of all description, one of which was not me. God had nothing to do with it. If the Democrats want to regain the White House, they should support better candidates

    1. Trump received just under 63 million votes.

       You ain’t seen nothin’ yet.

       1. I stand corrected. Point being, that is a lot of votes. not all Christians, not all deplorables, not all Charlottesville marchers. A lot of intelligent, patriotic, and sensitive Americans voted for him.

11. Laughable that those here on these pages use Christianity Today editors comment when they are not at all supporters of Christianity and revile it. Jackie even respects Pelosi as a devout Catholic. Colander wearing pastafarian don Keller is delighting in quoting CT. Jackie has no use for evangelicals yet tries to deflate them with a last quote from a rogue editor who will soon be gone.

    1. Andrew, why do you think the editor chose this moment to come out against Trump? I don’t follow CT and really wouldn’t know the answer. It just strikes me as extremely odd that this is the incident a religious person or publication would finally hold Trump accountable for, of all things.

    2. Andrew, what about Christians who prayed for a different candidate than you? Are they not really Christians? Were their prayers inferior? Perhaps the chaos and discord trump’s presidency are the answers to Putin’s prayers. How do you discretely tell the difference?

       1. Bulkington. A Christian isn’t someone who votes for a certain candidate but one who believes JC died on the cross for him. Secondly, Christians can pray for whomever they want and God doesn’t always give them what they want.

    3. I’ll tell you something not laughable, Andrew. You ignore (as I predicted you would) the specific question asking what kind of god is it that you worship? A god that that chooses and honors an immoral pig who degrades grieving widows, physically handicapped, gold star parents, all black and brown immigrants and separates children from their parents. That’s a false god, my friend. There is no depth to sink that is too deep for Trump to sink—and you still accept trump as something your god embraces and is chosen by him? For what, Andrew, because you’re afraid of equality? Remember when I told you I believe people when they say exactly what they mean? The reason why so many decent people— whether Christian, Jewish, Muslim, agnostic and atheist—have no respect for fake Christian evangelicals is because of how you defend your blind support of all that is ugly, sinful and immoral. No wonder you are so angry and defensive about your fake-Christian, privileged white, mind-controlling religion. Andrew, you ain’t no Christian. And neither is your chosen one.

       1. Jackie read about David and Solomon. They will be in heaven and they make Trump look like a Sunday school teacher.

12. https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2019/12/evangelical-elites-are-out-of-touch

    All trump-supporting, fake-Christian evangelicals are dismissing Mark Galli, the retiring editor of Christianity Today, as “rogue” and “he’s retiring anyway”. In a sense, they are correct. We all know that trumpist Repubiicans lack character, integrity and spine when it comes to the immoral, blackmailing Trump, but suddenly, on their way out the door, into retirement, being fired, or no longer up for re-election, these dishonorable people will suddenly and miraculously gain a conscience and condemn what the rest of us have been saying all along: Trump is an immoral, corrupt person who is unfit to serve as president. He’s a narcissistic sociopath who is a laughing stock and a danger to our democracy. Andrew’s dismissal of Galli, which is nothing more than a paraphrased word salad of what you hear on Faux News and from the fake-christian evangelical talking points, is robotic in its dismissal. This is what happens when people are told by a cult what to think. Anyone who supports Trump but has a conscience and recognizes that it’s anti-Christian to support him, is not able to see the light until they and their career have nothing to lose by becoming honest. The lie, that Trump-supporting evangelicals support Trump “programs” but not his “flawed” character, is simpy code for supporting what they view as personally advantageous to them, in other words, money. Ethics, morality, character, and a backbone are all rogue to these trumpist elite evangelicals who are all white, privileged, and very rich, usually multi-millionaires. That’s the reality with lots of evidence, especially from those once loyal to trump who suddenly were struck with a moral compass and now tell the truth, like some evangelicals are doing now. Evangelical christians who support trump, no matter what, are fake-christians and will accept any depraved thing Trump does– and still insist their god is responsible and has a plan. Some people call this devil-worship.

13. I was thinking of Trump more as the antichrist. This guy made fun of people after they die. First Mccain and now John Dingell who died of prostate cancer. Compassion isnt in his resume.

14. Jackie you dont know what Christianity is, you cannot define it. You havent read the Old and New Testament. You think its about good works and the bible says ”your good works are like filthy rags to me” It also says ”there is none that is good no not one”. It also says ”there is a way that seemeth right unto a man but that way is paved with destruction” You can accept or reject the scripture but at least try to understand it before you rant your malicious slander about it. You appear foolish. ”the natural mind perceives not the things of God for it is foolishness unto him”. You are not going to understand the scripture by applying your secular human logic to it. Christianity has nothing to do with holding man accountable to what you think is desirable in a person. As I said before read the story of David and Solomon before you rant about what you dont like in Christians. A person can be the kindest wonderful faithful loyal generous good natured unselfish human and he wont enter the kingdom of heaven unless he believe in the Lord JC as his savior. In fact the bible calls all unbelievers as ”wicked”. We are so far separated from Gods goodness that no matter what we do we cant reach him until we believe in Him as our substitutionary atonement. So go ahead and vilify on these pages but you wont comprehend until He changes your heart.

    1. Andrew, what you fail to comprehend is that every time an evangelican christian carries on that “…a person can be the kindest wonderful faithful loyal generous good natured unselfish human and he wont enter the kingdom of heaven unless he believe in the Lord JC as his savior…” they villify all Jews. Who does that, aside from anti-Semites? It is a villification and disgusting disrepect of all of Jews to rant like that, but it’s been going on for many centuries. Jews are not going to convert to Christianity. #GetOverIt. I know many real Christians who do not spout such disrespectful and indoctrinated nonsense. And you get angry that I don’t have an ounce of respect for a cult that veers so far from how genuine Christians behave? “My religion is better than your religion” is a dangerous way to go through life.

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