Trump impeached by House

Dershowitz calls it a mistake ‘constitutionally and politically.’

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Alan Dershowitz, shown speaking about his book "The Case Against Impeaching Trump," says the House vote to impeach was a mistake "constitutionally and politically." — Gabrielle Mannino

Updated 11:10 am

On Wednesday night, President Donald Trump was impeached by the U.S. House of Representatives. In a vote of 230-197, Trump was charged with abusing his power, and in a separate vote of 229-198, he was charged with obstruction of Congress.

In a statement, U.S. Rep. Bill Keating, D-Bourne, who represents the Island in Congress, quoted John Adams: “No one, absolutely no one, is above the law.”

Trump is accused of threatening to withhold aid to Ukraine unless the country’s new administration investigated Democratic presidential candidate Joseph Biden.

“I believe that it has become undeniably clear that the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump, has engaged in a pattern of behavior designed to extract personal and political benefit from the office of the president,” Keating said. “In doing so, President Trump irreparably violated his oath to preserve — to protect — and to defend — the Constitution of the United States of America. It is with a heavy heart, and a deep reverence to that same oath, that I refuse to abandon mine.”

Trump, who denies any wrongdoing, becomes the third president to be impeached, joining presidents Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton. Clinton, who vacationed on Martha’s Vineyard, was acquitted in the Senate — a likely scenario for Trump. That’s if the articles of impeachment are delivered to the Senate.

According to a story by Politico, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi may delay the Senate trial until she’s satisfied that the Senate will allow certain witnesses to be called. Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell has been quoted as saying he will work with Trump’s lawyers on impeachment strategy.

The idea of delaying the trial is something that was first suggested in a Washington Post op-ed by Laurence Tribe, a Harvard Law School professor, former legal advisor to President Barack Obama, and a frequent Vineyard visitor.

“This option needs to be taken seriously now that majority leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) has announced his intention to conduct not a real trial but a whitewash, letting the president and his legal team call the shots,” Tribe wrote, contending that it could give Democrats leverage on the rules of the trial. “Under the current circumstances, such a proceeding would fail to render a meaningful verdict of acquittal.”

In yet another Island connection, Alan Dershowitz, who famously claimed in 2018 he had been shunned from the Chilmark social scene for his defense of Trump in the court of public opinion, has been floated as part of the president’s legal team for the Senate trial, according to The New York Times.

Reached by phone Thursday morning, Dershowitz said he can’t comment on whether he’ll join Trump’s defense team. He didn’t hold back on the House vote, however, calling it an affront to what the framers of the Constitution had in mind: “I think it was a mistake both constitutionally and politically. Constitutionally, the articles don’t meet the criteria for impeachment.”

Dershowitz also objected to the idea that Pelosi will hold off sending the case to the Senate: “That would be unconstitutional. The president is entitled to a speedy resolution in the Senate.”

Tribe responded by email. “Any suggestion that the Constitution requires the immediate transmittal of the Articles of Impeachment to the Senate is quite absurd, and reflects a serious misunderstanding of constitutional law,” Tribe wrote. “I can’t imagine a constitutionally well-informed person arguing that the House of Representatives is powerless to determine when, through which managers, and in what way to prosecute its Articles of Impeachment in the Senate. The constitutional design contemplates leaving those matters in the hands of the body with the sole power to impeach, which of course is the House.”

Dershowitz, describing himself as a liberal Democrat who voted for Hillary Clinton, said he’s continued to feel repercussions for his stance on the Mueller investigation since the election. “Oh, definitely, it has continued. The division on the Island is even greater than it is in other places where I live,” he said. People don’t understand that he is speaking out on principle, not partisanship, Dershowitz said. “I’m strongly opposed to misuses of impeachment.”

A poll of readers of our daily newsletter, The Minute, showed 75.6 percent in favor of impeachment, and 24.4 percent opposed. Once again, on social media, the public reaction shows a country deeply divided along party lines.

Jamie Kageleiry contributed to this report.

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  3. A tragedy for this Republic. impeachment should never be partisan and used to overturn the results of an election. This is unconstitutional and the low information voter does not know the facts or the Constitution. It is evident of lack of knowledge of our great Constitution when one reads the comments of people. I fear for our Republic.

    • Augustawynd, judging from your poor writing skills, I’m not certain you should be taking the lead on pointing out “ low information voter” issues. Sheesh.
      Alan, please go away. Every time I think you can’t make a bigger fool of yourself ( evidently a life long passion) ,you surprise to the upside. Enough.

    • How can impeachment be unconstitutional, when it’s written right into the Constitution? And of course it potentially overturns the results of an election. That’s what it’s for.

  4. Why would Nancy delay. If Trump is a danger to our republic and our national security and needs to be removed, why wait and keep him in there longer so that he can do more damage? The longer he stays in the more problems he will cause for our democracy. Nancy needs to move with all deliberate speed. And the 4 senators who are running for President in 2020 need to do their job in the Senate and vote no on the guy they are running against. Walk back from the cliff Nancy, the House will be Republican in 2020 and you know it.

    • https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2019/december-web-only/trump-should-be-removed-from-office.html

      Andrew, you know full well that the gutless, morally spineless senate majority repubs will immediately vote to acquit without allowing for a single witness or fair senate trial. It’s what cheaters do to “win”, jut like the cheating, lying, immoral Trump did when he tried to bribe a foreign government to help him win in 2020. Nancy Pelosi, a brilliant and devout 79 year old Catholic, knows how to conduct herself and how to do her job while remaining moral, ethical and absolutely correct in her position. Trump-supporting evangelicals could take a lesson from her. But they don’t, and then wonder why no one has an ounce of respect for their self-absorbed, fairytale, phony, fear-based beliefs. The evangelical magazine, Christianity Today, founded by Billy Graham, has come out with an editorial calling for Trump’s removal. How many of the mind-controlled cult followers will support that? How will they even respond? My guess is it will be ignored by most evangelicals while the rest of the world shakes their head in disgust at the scam “religious” beliefs.

      • Jackie, you say Pelosi is a brilliant devout catholic but in earlier posts you say Christianity is a cult a fairy tale and no reasonable person should follow it.. Oh its protestant evangelicals that are the problem but Catholics are fine. How about Hasidim, are they no good but secular Jews are? Jackie you need to make up your mind. Is the Torah any good? I know the New Testament is no good but is any of the Old Testament and the story of the Israelites any good. Was Moses a good guy? Tell me, if you converted to Buddhism would you still remain a Jew?

        • I have repeatedly said that evangelicals who support trump are fake christians. Don’t make yourself sound so desperate–

  5. Its so typical that Pelosi, the control freak, want’s to be able to run the trial in the senate. The Democrats refused to allow “certain’ witnesses to be called in their kangaroo court, so they could control the outcome and impeach Trump, which they stated was their mission from the day he won the election. Now she expects to be allowed to demand ‘certain’ witnesses in the Senate trial. Typical Democrat hypocrite. The only thing accomplished by this witch hunt is the certain re-election of President Trump. For that, I thank crazy nancy.

  6. wait a minute– Moscow Mitch is freely admitting that he will collude with the defendant in the trial ?
    Something is really wrong here.
    trump really has broken our democracy, founded on the rule of law.
    Let me remind those that may have forgotten, or never knew ,this is the same Moscow Mitch
    who refused to have a hearing for a supreme court justice in an election year when Obama was president, but now assures us that if a vacancy arises in the supreme court, he will make sure it gets filled up until the day of the election. This is what happens when the people do not hold the politicians
    accountable. No matter which side you are on– that is wrong.
    Perhaps the nut cases are wrong, and it’s actually Moscow Mitch that’s the chosen one.

    • Moscow Mitch legalized Hemp for AMERICAN farmers starting in the 2014 provisional grow clause, with the former president, and in 2018 worked to federally legalize Hemp for American farmers. It will be an economic boom for our country along with helping the environment.

  7. All these “Trump Impeached” headlines are beautiful to behold. This is the bum’s legacy and will be the first thing our grandchildren know about the most corrupt President in US history. That, and that his supporters had no moral backbone. Watching the impeachment proceedings in the House, the intellectual differences between the Dems and the Republicans was stunning. The Republican assertions that compared the proceedings against Trump to what happened at Pearl Harbor or To Jesus was pathologically stupid and yes, deplorable.

  9. Now Nancy wont send it over to the Senate. She says she needs more evidence and this is AFTER the impeachment. This is a bit like ”we need to pass it so we can find out what is in it” and Jackie is talking about ”intellectual differences”. Nancy has single handedly turned the house over to the Repubs in 2020. But she is prayerful on this solemn occasion as the rest of her constituents are gleefully clapping after the vote. She wore black and didnt want this to happen but its for the good of the country because our national security is at stake when we withhold some military equipment from Ukraine. You cant make this stuff up.

    • Andrew– I heard the replublicans last week whining about how Nancy was pushing this through too fast, and if there was a question about whether trump can refuse to give congress any documents related to the matter, and can order his minions ( who know the truth) to not testify, it should go to the courts.. So I’m ok with that… What I am not ok with is people here saying that the democrats refused to hear from “certain” witnesses. Yeah, they didn’t think Hunter Biden was a material witness in the attempted bribery scandal. But the overall narrative about not calling witnesses is an outright lie to deflect from the refusal of the president to allow his staff to testify.

  10. This will go down as one of the darkest moments in the history of our great country.
    A duly-elected President, voted for by over 60 MILLION Americans, has now been impeached by the Democrat-run House of Representatives for no reason (No proven crimes) other than he has an ‘R’ next to his name, his name is Trump, the Clinton machine did all they could to steal the election but totally failed and from that moment on all hell broke loose as we all know.
    That`s is EXACTLY what Alexander Hamilton warned us about!
    A partisan Impeachment is one of the most dangerous things the House of Representatives can do to damage our Constitution.
    The House of Representatives now has the power to impeach someone simply because they disagree with him on policy, just does not like then or beat them at their own game except FAIRLY!
    We have clearly seen the so called tolerant liberal Democrats for what they really are and there is no need for me to point things out to explain.

    What if the Democrats also had control of the US Senate? We would be facing the reality of losing one of the greatest Presidents in US History because a bunch of far-left radicals got their feelings hurt, all the criminal actions they took to win FAILED and after loosing they tried everything criminally again under the sun to remove him and still failed.

    THIS HAS GONE TO FAR FOR TO LONG!!! WE MUST NOW MAKE SURE THAT DONALD TRUMP WINS “AGAIN” IN 2020 BY THE LARGEST LANDSLIDE IN OUR COUNTRY`S HISTORY AND ALSO MAKE SURE WE HOLD THE MAJORITY IN CONGRESS!
    Right after that if not in the mean time we must fill all our Maximum Security Prisons with every single person who had a hand in this “Deep Swamp” failed takeover of our country! That will also include jailing the main stream media who had dirty hands.
    “Merry Christmas to All”

    • Tisbury Native, you recognize the danger this is to our Republic. Most of the comments show that the people writing them do not know the Constitution and are dealing from pure emotion. Please, everyone, read the Constitution. I carry a copy with me and have done for decades. Our Republic is precious to me and I have centuries of antecedents who have fought for it.

      • august– you keep mentioning the constitution.. Ok, I have a copy, have read it extensively ,I studied it in school, and I often refer to it when debating the principals of our society. So, let’s have at it—regarding the concept of checks and balance of the 3 branches of gov. , why do you think the executive branch can refuse to honor the legitimate request of the legislative branch to view documents and refuse subpoenas in an investigation into what is arguably a case of blatant attempted bribery and abuse of power for personal gain.
        Then you can tell me about why we should condone the complete disregard for the emollients clause ( Article I, Section 9, Clause 8 of the United States Constitution) which restricts members of the government from receiving gifts, emoluments, offices or titles from foreign states and monarchies.
        I am disappointed the house did not impeach on that, nor did they impeach on the outright looting that occurred of the trump “charitable ” foundation.
        nor did they seek impeachment for the bribery payments that were actually made to at least 2 women to keep his sexual affairs quiet in order to influence the 2016 election. if you are going to talk the constitution, please telle what part you are concerned about. ” “Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel.” Please augusta– come out from behind your facade and tell us who is violating the principals of the constitution.

      • Augustawynd, did you just respond favorably to the most hysterical post here and then claim everyone else is emotional?

        More preaching about the Constitution. I’ve never been a Constitution thumper, personally. It seems to have become a cheap way to win any disagreement. Rather than having to actually support what you’re saying on merit, just whip out a document. Whether it applies or not doesn’t matter all that much.

        I also find it amusing/disgusting that I don’t see the same people who usually do the thumping applying their beloved document to the cases where it’s needed most. People of color have their rights violated all the time, and suddenly there’s silence.

        I hope you whip it out for everyone, not just Trump.

    • Saint Donald is suffering for his own sins. “at their own game fairly?” “I solemnly swear (or affirm, as the case may be,) that in all things appertaining to the trial of the impeachment of [Donald Trump], now pending, I will do impartial justice according to the Constitution and laws: So help me God.” To which Mitch McConnell, taking God’s name in vain, said, ” I’m not impartial about this at all.”

  13. Why is this in the mvtimes? I get the Dershowitz angle, but a bit of a stretch. You guys have a DC desk now?

    • Whale oil — you may not know this, but national politics and the foundations of our democracy have an impact on our daily lives..

  14. Trump is catching this much flak because he is DIRECTLY over the target of Democrat corruption.
    Name that quote….(who said it)
    ” I am leaving here in 6 hours, If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money.” (billion dollars) ” Well, son of Bi**h, he got fired!”

    • myob- usually, if you take a quote, copy it, and paste it into google, you will get the person who said it..
      I searched for a quote on google ” I am leaving here in 6 hours, If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money.” Guess what i got ? you– on this forum. Ok I didn’t guess who said it– I asked google– you said it. Nice quote- There is no other reference –Well, son of Bi**h, you made it up!”
      Now , If I quote myself here, it usually is to confirm I said it– you on the other hand seem to be making some inference that someone else said it— perhaps Rudy Gulianni, or trump? maybe one of the swamp rats currently in jail.. But, the fact is, apparently no one has ever said that but you.. Check it out–

      • That quote comes from Joe Biden and was brought up during the Republican questioning of the Democrat lawyers in the house committee hearing. It is in reference to his trip to Ukraine in I believe 2015 or 2016 in which he said that to their president. The reason for doing so is due to the prosecutor investigating a company that Biden’s son was a sitting chair member for. They used this as evidence for a true quid pro quo rather than the alleged one against Trump. If you continue listening to the quote Biden goes so far as the tell the Ukranian government to “call his bluff and see what happens”

          • can’t — ok I saw alex jones on info wars run a clip– and a republican senator read a close quote off his notes.
            So let’s say he did say it– ok — and that makes trump asking for a political favor to investigate a political rival ok ?
            I’m gonna try that with a cop the next time I get stopped for speeding, and tell the cop that I saw someone else speeding that she didn’t catch, so she should leave me alone or I will have her arrested.

  15. Not surprised this front page news in this paper…the way I see it, 2 republicans to 1 democrat so guess what side is next. Facts don’t matter.

  16. It makes a lot of sense that Dershowitz would sign on to defend President Trump. It is consistent with his views espoused in the book he just published, and consistent with his endless quest to stay on the news, and to stay in the media spotlight. Maybe when the impeachment trial runs its course then the Jeffrey Epstein case will rear more of its ugly head and keep him there even longer …

      • Huh? He is, after all, a defense attorney. It’s not about taking sides, it’s about providing a vigorous defense for his clients, which, thankfully, all Americans (so far) have a right to.

        • Stbg, read up on his personal life. It’s clear to me that he doesn’t leave his defense of certain behaviors at the office. He really practices what he preaches. I will leave it at that.

        • myob– i agree –‘only a fool would think google is god”
          did anyone suggest it was ? not only would they be a ‘fool” , they would be certifiably insane, as google is a corporation.
          but I am a little confused with your post equating god with the length of the day . I am sure that some people will agree with you that god is responsible for everything, and therefore we should pray that god does not make the length of the day any shorter than it is on dec 21 ..
          if we all pray to Jesus for the next few days, i feel confident that She will reverse the sun and start giving us more sunlight every day– i am also very thankful that she is no longer requiring that we sacrifice virgins to reverse the length of the day– all praise to Jesus, Allah, and the FSM ..
          Ramen.

  19. Seems to me that Trump was the whistle blower on Biden’s corruption. Both parties disgust the hell out of me!
    Country won’t get better until there are no Dems or Reps but independent doers and thinkers debating but getting along without the hate. Saw a great t shirt “Make America kind again”

  20. Thank you in advance, Democrats, for the inevitable, historic, landslide re-election of one of the greatest Presidents in American history. The Democratic party’s coming devastation is as richly deserved as it is necessary for the future of our republic. You will not be missed. Blame yourselves.

    • So you think being gay is chronic and makes someone inferior, and you also view Trump as a hero. Why am I not the slightest bit surprised?

      At least we agree on something. He will win.

  21. I guess the 500 law professors who signed a letter supporting impeachment were all wrong and only Dersh is right. Just like 98% of the world’s scientist believe that fossil fuel use is contributing to a global climate crisis, but republicans are on the side of the 2% who scoff. Why do these these outlier clowns continue to get ink??

  22. “Dershowitz, … said he’s continued to feel repercussions for his stance on the Mueller investigation since the election.” ????
    Ummm, Alan, I think it was your documented association with Jeffrey Epstein and frequent documented trips aboard his “Lolita Express” that could also have something to do with it.

    • Augusta, there’s a lot more to life than the Constitution. You don’t care about Trump’s failure to show decency in everyday situations? That’s a low standard to set for a leader of an entire nation. We generally have higher standards for, let’s say, our teachers, so why not our politicians? We’d probably call for the firing of any school employee who dramatically mocked a student’s physical disability. Or at least I hope we would. I will never understand how this became a partisan thing. I don’t belong to a party and think the Democrats have made a poor showing. But none of their flaws take away from what we have seen and heard from Trump himself. It doesn’t matter what group he belongs to. It doesn’t matter if the other side sucks, too. He’s just mentally unfit for the job in my eyes. He isn’t able to conduct himself in the way the job demands. This is so basic.

  24. Tennisstar: no one is arguing that the House doesnt have power of impeachment. They do. Now they have to hand over the articles to the Senate for their adjudication. If they dont hand them over there is no impeachment. Simple. We cannot know if Nancy will hand them over. If she does there will be a trial in the senate and he will be acquitted. If she doesnt then there is no trial and he is not impeached. The House collects the evidence and hands it over to the Senate for a trial. That is how one has to think about it. Even you can understand her hesitancy to hand them over. She was rolled by her left flank to conduct an impeachment against her wishes. Now she feels that she will lose the House next November for her actions and she is thinking how to make the best of this. She has fallen on her own sword. When the House impeached Bill Clinton they lost the next time and Newt was gone. No matter what one thinks of Trump, the left wing Dems are fouling their own next.

    bill

    • Andrew– no one argued that Moscow Mitch had the power to have hearings on a supreme court nominee.
      He refused to do it.
      Trump , by definition has been impeached. You can’t change history. Pelosi has the prerogative to decide when to send the articles to the senate. Given that some of the jurors, most notably Moscow Mitch hisself, have already stated they do not even want to pretend to be fair, have their minds made up, want to present no documents no evidence, and no witnesses, I think Ms. Pelosi would be derelict in her duties to turn the case over to a bunch of admittedly conflicted “jurors” . Republicans have time and again stated that the process has not been fair to the president.. Well, they can have that opinion, but there needs to be some fairness to the American people, and the rule of law.
      I am sure a senate “trial” at this point would look somewhat similar to the trial of those who murdered Emmet Till. They laughed that he was so stupid [he] tried to swim the river with a stolen mill fan around his neck. It was a sham of a trial then,resulting in acquittal. Now the senate wants the chance to laugh at the democrats for daring to impeach ‘the chosen one”.
      I can wait for the people to decide the makeup of the next senate. Perhaps we will elect a majority of moral people committed to constitutional values.

    • Here is another example of a lie being pushed by Trumpers. They want you to believe that Trump is not impeached unless the articles of impeachment are sent to the Senate.This of course is false.

      “Tennisstar: no one is arguing that the House doesnt have power of impeachment. They do. Now they have to hand over the articles to the Senate for their adjudication. If they dont hand them over there is no impeachment.” ~Andrew

      If they don’t hand them over there is no impeachment, lol. This is wrong, false, untrue, a blatant lie. Donald J Trump has been impeached, only the 3rd US President in history to have this distinction. It is a stain on him that will be written in the history books and in his obituary, Donald J Trump was an impeached President. Get over it, Andrew. Authoritarian personality types do not get to rewrite history and make their fairytales real. This is what happens to people who are so brainwashed they can’t distiguish reality from the fantasies they wish were true.

      The reality is that the Senate has the power to remove the IMPEACHED President, but that won’t happen. It is unlikely he will be removed because without allowing for the witnesses that would undoubtedly sign, seal and deliver true justice for the corrupt liar currently sitting the WH, it will simply be a republican denail of the reality of his abuse of power and his obstruction of Congress, without regard for fact, witnesses, and evidence.

  25. “That is how one has to think about it.” ~Andrew

    And that is your MO, Andrew, dictatorily telling people how they must think as you do, no matter how deluded. Being subjected to the mind-control that has you in its grip, please try to understand that there are different perspectives in life, different religions, different colors of skin, differnt culltures, different nationalities, different politics. Your way of thinking, believing and bossing around is not the only way, and it certainly is not viewed as the best way, except by you. You are not the boss of anyone’s thinking, although something is obviously the boss of yours. Will you desert your chosen one now, or are you waiting for others to jump ship first? Please defend Trump’s attack on the widow Dingell. Oh that’s right, you won’t because you can’t. Stick to you playbook until you’re told not to. And that is how I think of what you think.

  27. It is BEYOND a pity that a rather large part of this nation has lost the ability to recognize right from wrong, and fact from fiction, and honesty from dishonesty. Drumpf acknowledges at least one call to the Ukrainian President, with a somewhat redacted transcript, and backed up by numerous witnesses to this and other transgressions. It was an amateur shakedown, on par with a Grade B numbers runner in Little Italy. He withholds military and financial aid for the Ukraines unwillingness to participate in such a low life move. The ONLY question that remains is: WHY IS DONALD DRUMPF STILL IN THE OVAL OFFICE? My guess is that Washington has not wasted enough time and money yet, beating the dead horse, the poor thing!

  29. Doesn’t mean much to be a Republican these days. It’s pretty much getting a bunch of old people angry enough to be duped into voting for Republicans.

    It’s all about a religious sort of programming. Republican dogma requires multiple exclamation points of alarm over the United Nations, all of government, Democrats, liberals, communists, atheists, Muslims, insufficiently Christian Christians, Christians of dubious sects, the media, Hollywood, Obamacare, black people, brown people, immigrants, China, sex, homosexuals, uppity women, all of Europe (both as entity and as abstract concept), everywhere that is not Europe, climate scientists, biologists, environmentalists, economists, college professors, bilingual people, urban dwellers, campaign finance advocates, community organizers, several American cities and certain unpleasant history books.

    It’s no wonder that nutjobs like Trump, Ted Cruz and Rand Paul can claim with a straight face that an American collapse and dystopia is just around the corner if an Immigration Reform bill passes and every single Republican dope believes them without question; all of modern civilization is apparently ethereal, or ephemeral, or a cruel plot. In extremist Republican-land we are always just one health insurance law away from government-sponsored camps, or one overly-tanned immigrant away from genetic or cultural Armageddon.

    Start up the clown car, folks! It’s gonna be a really fun ride in 2020!! The greatest tragedy isn’t that the person supposedly leading our nation lack a single benevolent impulse, that he is impervious to compassion, incapable of nobility, and allergic to simple kindness. A man who cheated on every wife he’s ever had (all three) and brags about assaulting women and abusing his power.

    The greatest tragedy, is that millions of Americans would vote support him.

    • I think the greatest tragedy is the bitter clingers to identity politics who haven’t looked around and realized they are being surpassed by enlightened citizens who are pursuing peace and prosperity and equal rights for all.

      • BS, are you saying Trump supporters are enlightened? Because every racist “13/90!!!!!11!” comment I’ve seen online has been signed with a “TRUMP 2020!”. Same with crude racial comments I won’t repeat about Michelle Obama and others. No one has to like her or agree with her, but to attempt to degrade her using ancient stereotypes is beyond vile. This isn’t a one-time deal. I’ve seen this stuff all over comments sections and social media, and it’s always from people who make a point of saying they want to keep Trump around. They are loud and proud and strong in numbers. Same with anti-gay comments. What about any of that leads to peace? It’s sick.

    • Van– That’s a very accurate statement. Good comment. However, while I know you can’t possibly mention all the things the republicans want us to be afraid of, bs has pointed out one of the most deeply rooted ones in the boogey man basement. That being “enlightened citizens”. The “elitist” as they like to call them, who dare to tell us that we can dump into our rivers, oceans ,and the atmosphere.
      And worse yet, the “intellectuals”. How dare the people who read the “failing” New York Times, or actually read ” the transcript” tell the rest of us about reality.
      They have info wars, fox news, religion,guns, the constitution and most importantly the flag to wrap themselves in.
      You also forgot to mention Pastafarians– Given how many times Andrew Engelman has mocked that particular group of believers here, they obviously pose a serious threat to our way of life.

  30. Wow, Vanadium, that’s some rant!. I look forward to next November when the Republican party retains the Presidency and control of the Senate and, most likely, regains control of the House. I wish you and your fellow Democrats a safe and very Merry Christmas.

  31. I was a Republican since I got out of the service and returning from Vietnam. (Dam dems starting, messing up and loosing that war!!)
    After Obama won a second term I immediately went down to our Town Hall and changed to being Unenrolled.
    However when President Trump wins again especially by the landslide which I expect and which I will be part of I will once again become a registered Republican!
    I will also watch the View daily and cheer as they really scream and holler daily!
    BTW, I am so glad the MV Times will not plug up my PO Box every week anymore and littler the our island’s post offices anymore! It will be real interesting watching how the two island’s left wing, totally bias, liberal newspapers will battle it out for first place in 2020.
    The other paper is ahead now with you know who’s weekly Trump and his Deplorable hating closing column’s comments.
    I think after Trumps Landslide win and us owning both the house and senate this paper will fly right by their competition real quick!

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