Chabad lights menorah in Owen Park

1. “…with the ongoing military conflict in Israel and Palestine in mind”.

   There is no Palestine. There could have been, but Arab leaders many times have rejected agreements and offers for a free Palestinian state for one simple reason: They refuse to accept Israel’s right to exist, and under the agreements, the two states would be neighbors.

   Repeating an incorrect name for Gaza a million times does not make it so. For the millionth time, Hamas’s war on Israel is not about land. It is about obliterating Israel and all Jews. This is what the call for “free Palestine” means. As this newspaper’s editorial writer, Mintz, stated, he is in favor of Israel being “dismantled”. Just like Hamas terrorists and everyone who supports them, whether they’re on the Vineyard, sitting behind a university president’s desk, or from Turkey and dropping dead from a heart attack after publicly denouncing Israel.

   This Chanukah is different from all other Chanukahs of my 74 years. The blatant antisemitism and support and excuses for the atrocities of October 7th are why. This is true for everyone at every Chanukah celebration, no matter how joyful. Ignoring elephants does not make them go away.

   I am sure many have had enough of me pointing out why this newspaper’s hosting of so much antisemitic venom is okay as long as we can rebut and refute the ignorant age-old hatred. I will stop when the Jew-hatred stops. Silence got 6 million people murdered.

   Two articles appeared about Chanukah celebrations this week in the Times, but neither mentioned why it is a holiday: short version is that people were trying to rid Jews from the ancient homeland of Jewish people. There was a war. Jews won. Let’s eat.

   Nothing new under the sun.

   • Jackie- please do not stop

2. Even Jews on MV spouting “”palestine”. It is not a mere ”conflict” It is barbarians killing Jews eternally. Institutions impart behavior, ideas and ideologies into one’s lives by lowering expectations and raising tolerances to situations that would normally be abhorrent to a mass population. Introducing people and concepts like this into Universities is a prime example of this. It takes years and even decades but the goal is to modify individuals to accept these changes without any question. If you need any examples, see what Germany did to “normalize” their citizens to accept the dehumanizing and eventual mass killings. That is what is happening to America with regard to the Israeli conflict with Hamas. The complacency will become acceptance and the acceptance will become justice for the state. It is all incremental and slowly insidious. If Israel doesn’t finish this quickly even Biden will turn against them. Particularly if he runs for re election.

   • For those keeping score:
     At least 18,608 Palestinians have been killed in Israeli attacks since October 7. The revised death toll in Israel stands at 1,147.

     “Particularly if he runs for re election.”
     Is Trump going to run for reelection.
     Biden beast him last time.
     Has Trump picked up even more support?
     Because he has offered to be the one person with full power over all.
     Uber Alles has a nice ring to it, for a descendant of Aryans, a truly Supreme Leader

   • Yeah, andy, I know about how the nazis convinced a whole lot of people that Jews were subhuman. That’s why I am concerned about the right wing media and their portrayal of “the liberal” as a satan worshiping cult that is filled with homicidal pedophiles that hate America and want to take away all of our freedoms.
     They even claimed the democratic candidate for the presidency in 2016 was instrumental in running a bloodthirsty ring of pedopjiles that sacraficed children.
     It’s an age old thing. Right out of the “blood libel” playbook.

3. Jackie– I hope that when you light your manorah, you can find it in your heart put aside some of the ill feelings and divisions and reflect on the true meaning of the Chanukah ritual, even if only for a few minutes. l. My girlfriend and I do when we light hers’. And then we eat.
   Your description of the reason we practice this was short indeed. Your brief description could have covered any number of times the Jews had to defend themselves against annihilation.
   I will mention, for those who don’t know, that this particular practice originated with a miracle concerning light during the darkest of times. It offers hope, which is symbolized by light in the darkness.
   Shalom

   • Here’s a link for for books, films, and podcasts to help educate those in denial about their Jew-hatred.
     https://www.glamourmagazine.co.uk/gallery/antisemitism-judaism-films-books-podcasts

     Educating oneself, especially on an unacknowledged antisemitism, may help in not lashing out so uncontrollably with false accusations against Jews who do love and support Israel, indigenous, ancient homeland to Jews, in its right to exist and protect itself.

     When someone repeatedly tells us exactly who he is, we should all believe him.

     Also, the movie, “Gaslight”, starring Ingrid Bergman and Charles Boyer, is a great flick to watch over the holidays.

     • Give it a break, Jackie– everyone who disagrees with the policies and the tactics of the Israeli military does not hate Jews.
       What are we to think of those who openly express utter disdain and total disregard for the safety of innocent “invented” people.
       Let’s call it what it is. BLATANT Islamophobia and encouraging genocide, all the while pointing the finger at perceived anti semites who’s only “crime” is to disagree with them.
       No matter how often you call someone an anti semite, it
       does not make it true.

       • Well, I guess we can put your lie “I am a Zionist” to rest. Why do you pretend to support Israel, claim to be a “Zionist”, even looking up the definition in the dictionary, and then cannot stop calling Israel genocidal, a word you claimed you were reluctant to use but started using in on October 13th? You can’t get your story straight, Keller. You either support Israel, understand that Hamas has to be destroyed and hostages returned, or you think they’re committing a genocide, the way every antisemite on the planet is claiming when they see what Israel must do to survive. I’ll never give it a break because, unlike you, I support Israel’s right to exist and defend and protect itself. Not hard to understand at all. Antisemites never call for a Hamas surrender even though that would put an end to all the killings. Did u need more time to think about that one? Antisemites want a ceasefire now, not a surrender.

4. Turkish lawmaker age 54 incurs the wrath of God after he tells us Israel will incur wrath of Allah. He then drops dead. Yeah I know, I believe in fairy tales.

5. Hess if that number of deaths is true and it isnt, that would mean at least 300 per day in the last 60 days since Oct 7. We would see photos of all those bodies and where they are stacked. You cant kill 18 thousand people in an area about the size of MV (87 sq miles and Gaza 141 sq) miles and not see it. Where are those bodies Hess? Where are you getting those figures? Hamas?

   • andy– when you destroy 1/2 of the residential buildings in a city of 600,000 people, bomb the schools and the hospitals, shut off the water and electricity and have cases where Israeli troops are executing entire families in schools, it’s a wonder that it is that low. There also might still be a few people who they haven’t found under all that rubble , don’t cha’ think ?
     But you want to see pictures:
     https://www.npr.org/sections/pictureshow/2023/10/15/1206040971/photos-scenes-from-the-israel-gaza-war
     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FveRpSsCfOU
     https://time.com/6324754/gaza-photos-grief-death-destruction/
     https://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2023/10/photos-destruction-gaza/675760/

     There are none so blind as those who refuse to see…
     So let’s say Hamas is inflating the numbers– does 12,000 make it OK?
     But as you say, you believe in fairy tales…
     And don’t believe facts.
     Like more than a thousand Americans died from COVID.

     • So let me get the jew-hating view of this war straight. When Israel provides safer passage and allows in humanitarian aid that Hamas steals from civilians of the enemy combatants, Hamas, who happened to start a war with Israel by committing the worst atrocities imaginable, and Hamas then goes to every safe zone to launch their rockets, using their own people, their safe places including cemeteries, and Israeli hostages as shields, antisemites still want to blame Israelis/Jews who support them as “Islamaphobes” for all they have to do to demilitarize Gaza and rid it and the world of subhuman terrorist animals who behead, burn, rape and torture Jews as a matter of honor? No matter what Israel does to try to protect enemy’s civilians, far more than any other warring party is expected to do, it is still Israel that is responsible— not Hamas for their war crimes of using human shields. Have I got that part of your blather correct, Keller ? I must have missed the part where you humanley called for a surrender. On the other hand, the side of evil doesn’t want to see an Israeli victory against evil monster terrorists trying to obliterate all of Israel and every Jew and on the planet. That’s because at core these Hamas justifiers are, you know, Jew haters who pretend they’re not. Still not giving it a break. Not ever.

     • 300 per day Keller. Can you imagine that scale on so small an area. How blind can one be? 17000 all under the ruble? Wouldn’t someone show the pictures? No one has. Nonsense all generated by your buddies at WHO and UN.

   • Andrew, it’s been clear from the start that antisemitic people have no problem believing the terrorists’ lies, and not the law abiding, moral army. Turns out even the Red Cross, so critical of Israel supposedly not allowing humanitarian aid into Gaza was lying. Hamas was stealing it and yet the Red Cross, barred by Hamas from delivering medicine and food to Israeli hostages, has never said a word critical of the terrorists.
     Of course antisemites believe and repeat false information. There isn’t a Jew on the planet who wonders why. Jews are blamed when they fight back and then blamed when they don’t. David Mintz even suggested that Israel did nothing about the intel warning of a planned pogrom… to get people to feel sorry for Jews if the pogrom happened. That’s how deeply Jew-hatred runs, and Martha’s Vineyard is not exempt.

     My heart goes out to the families of the 3 hostages accidentally killed by the IDF. May their memory be a blessing. You see, if the IDF were less moral, they could have blamed this tragedy on Hamas instead of taking responsibility. That’s the difference between morality and evil. It is shocking to me, though, and still breaks my heart, that people I know and considered friends have no problem going along with Hamas lies, believing then, sharing these lies, for no other reason than their own Jew-hatred.

     • Jackie — We live in a time where misinformation is widely disseminated.
       Many people believe the lies that come from both sides.
       I could certainly sit here and without presenting any evidence to the contrary, and repeat lies that supporters of Israel claim are untrue.
       For whatever reason, people lie about all sorts of things. Indeed, a significant portion of people in the U.S think that the 2020 election was stolen. That does mot mean they are anti-American. It just means they have been duped into believing something that supports their biases.
       It gets much more difficult for the actual truth to come out in an active war zone.
       Believe me, every story you hear about Israeli atrocities is not a lie, anymore than every story you hear about hamas atrocities is not a lie.
       It is shocking to me, though, and still breaks my heart, that people I know and consider friends have no problem going along with Israeli lies, believing then, sharing these lies, for no other reason than their own Arab hatred.
       It goes both ways, Jackie. Many people lie about Israel, many people lie about Hamas.
       As for the deaths of the hostages. Yes, tragic indeed, and ultimately the responsibility of Hamas. And good for the IDF for admitting their tragic mistake.
       But it does beg the bigger question about the rules of engagement by the IDF.
       These 3 men seemed to do everything they could to safely surrender.
       They wrote on a wall that they had escaped,( which the IDF soldiers saw) took off their shirts so it was clear they were not suicide bombers, and were waving a white flag; the internationally recognized symbol of surrender. And still they were shot. What does that say about the possibility of any alleged terrorist surrendering ?
       Or any innocent Palestinian ? The sad truth is that no one would have batted an eye if these soldiers had killed 3 Palestinians, supporters of hamas or not.
       The reports of IDF atrocities are on the rise- that’s part of the horrors of war. It is naive at best to claim that everything that is alleged is a lie, if it doesn’t fit your world view.

       • What’s your point, Keller? Back to your ‘good people on both sides’? Horrible people on both sides? You’ve said both. Terrorists are being unfairly treated, lied about? You’ve taken all kinds of opposite stands, contradicting yourself, and lashed out with all kinds of nutty accusations– Like I am pro Putin. If you’re on the side that wants to hand the baby beheaders a victory by demanding a ceasefire now without their surrender, you’re on the wrong side– of history, of morality, of decency. As far as i can tell, you stand up for nothing and what you say means nothing because in the next comment, you change, straddle a fence, or say something demeaning about ‘the chosen people’.

         The good guys are the Israelis, just so you know. With or without the support of all the antisemites in the world trying to hand victory and death to all Jews to terrorists. Name one time when terrorists have not broken a ceasefire. One time. You cannot. For centuries, who does’t want to live in peace alongside Jewish neighbors? There should be a two state solution in reality and no war, and I should still be unaware of who I know who are antisemitic, anti-zionist, anti-Jew. But because there is only one side that is good and the other is evil, we don’t have that. And now I know my ignorance was bliss and i can never go back to un-knowing what I now know.

         • Jackie– I have never said that I have
           anything but contempt for hamas,
           but you claim I am pro hamas because
           I do not approve of the excessive brutality
           of the Israeli invasion of Gaza and it’s
           apparent disregard for the safety of innocent
           civilians. But then again, andy — who is always
           correct in his assertions — claims there are no
           innocent Palestinians. — Even the thousands
           of children that he claims have not died.
           And speaking of genocide–
           I wonder what you think of this.
           https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-12-18/ty-article/israeli-local-council-head-calls-to-flatten-gaza-like-auschwitz-today-in-radio-interview/0000018c-7bf9-de44-a9be-7ffd05e90000
           That’s an elected official holding
           a public office in Israel.
           He’s not the first to call for the genocide
           of the “invented” Palestinian people
           You, on the other hand, have never
           criticized Putin when he rolled his
           tanks over the Ukrainian border and
           murdered thousands of MY people.
           Obviously, you could care less about MY
           people. You obviously hate Ukrainians
           ( add them to the list ) and fully support
           Putin. As does your newly found political
           party.

   • “RAMALLAH, West Bank/BEIRUT, Dec 9 (Reuters) – Israeli forces unleashed an aerial and ground blitz against Hamas in Gaza after a cross-border rampage by the enclave’s ruling Islamist group on Oct. 7. At least 17,487 Palestinians have been killed since then, according to Gaza Health Ministry figures, while 1,200 people were killed in the Hamas incursion into Israel, according to Israeli tallies.”

     engleman, how far off is Reuters? More than 20%.
     What figures are getting?
     What is NewsMax giving for numbers?

     • Yes Reuters is off big time and Reuters is off on many things

       • Andrew, antisemites take numbers gleaned from Gaza Health Ministry, terrorist controlled, as gospel. News agencies mostly report the source of their info, but antisemites don’t discriminate when it comes to their “evidence” to make evil out of Jews fighting for their survival. But antisemitic liberals sure do like to discriminate against Jews/israelis. They don’t discriminate between Jews and Israelis, either. All the same to them. That’s what helps make them Jew-haters. Believe me when I tell you we know who they are on here.

   • andy– there are more than 60 days between oct 7 and dec 15.
     Also , Gaza is closer to twice the size of the Vineyard than “about the size”.
     You seem to have some serious rounding errors on this one.

     • Keller this is the kind of nitpicking you are known for. I gave the sizes in my post for everyone to judge size differences and try to figure out how to hide 17000 bodies in a small space. You have no answer except to posit they are all under the ruble.

       • andy– so no one cares if your exaggerations about time and size comparisons ? I think some of us do….
         So I guess you are too willfully ignorant to even look at the 5 links I posted showing the bodies.
         No one is hiding them– they are in plain sight, but some are too blind to see. And– speaking of lying… I said “There also might still be a few people who they haven’t found under all that rubble” to which you claim I said “they are all under the rubble” how can you expect anyone to think anything you say is credible when you just blatantly lie about my comment .
         But back to the rubble. Here are some pictures of that.
         Fine to ignore my pictures of the stacked up bodies.
         Look at these pictures and tell me you think there are no dodies under it.
         https://www.google.com/search?q=images+of+gaza+destruction&sca_esv=591869924&ei=f1iAZeCBO9zcptQP_tmg4Ak&ved=0ahUKEwigvZqzmpmDAxVcrokEHf4sCJwQ4dUDCBA&uact=5&oq=images+of+gaza+destruction&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiGmltYWdlcyBvZiBnYXphIGRlc3RydWN0aW9uSJ-bAVDeC1j7lgFwA3gBkAEAmAGEAaAByRWqAQQyOC41uAEDyAEA-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&sclient=gws-wiz-serp

         • Keller I see ruble not bodies and if 17000 bodies are under the ruble, how does one know there are 17000.? Yes there are people killed as collateral damage but I woudnt be using Hamas figures.

   • engleman, what are the true figures?

6. The culture of DEI has grown the collection of practices that we have now all heard of—safe spaces, trigger warnings and microaggressions. Instituted speech codes that make it a violation of university rules to say things that some groups might find offensive. Advising students not to speak, act, even dress in ways that might cause offense to some minority groups. When the George Floyd protests erupted, universities publicly aligned their institutions to those protests. It is understandable that Jewish groups would wonder: why do safe spaces, microaggressions and hate speech not apply to us? If universities can take positions against free speech to make some groups feel safe, why not us? Having coddled so many student groups for so long, university administrators found themselves squirming, unable to explain why certain groups like Jews and Asians don’t seem to matter in these conversations. Now we have Ivy Presidents nuancing and dancing with ‘’context’’. Sadly, Israel has learned from experience over the past 75 years that they are always considered wrong by so called “polite society.”

   • “Polite society” liberals, AKA useful idiots, carry on about extremist fringe republicans (pizza gate! cult!) when caught being antisemitic themselves and while marching lockstep with actual intifada, from-the-river, let’s-let-hamas-win Jew-haters and then think they are somehow morally superior to Jews supporting Isreal, and not jew-haters themselves. Never seen such hypocrisy and lack of self-awareness. Leftist liberals are worse than Nazis, convincing themselves (but no one else) that they like Jews and their misspelled “manorahs”, ready to provide smug lectures on darkness on light. It’s a serious woke issue for asleep, antisemitic, “useful idiots”.

7. When someone who is ignorant of Israeli and Jewish ideals, history, culture, and customs decides its his place to mansplain the meaning of the Chanukah miracle, couldn’t they at least learn how to spell MENORAH?

   • What makes you think I am ignorant about Jewish
     ideals , history, culture and customs?
     That’s a pretty ignorant thing to say , you know.

8. Jackie,♥️ Andrew, Keller..
   Hess.. I could go on.. ( I could name you all)so many strong voices I always look forward to reading.
   Part of my morning news.
   Thank you MV Times
   And those who take the TIME to care

9. I’ve learned so much since October 7th, including how I grieve when I can do nothing but write, how to find strength and comfort in unity, and how proud and glad I am to be Jewish. I wish I had known earlier.

   I’ve also learned how the woke brand of antisemites of today act if they’ve just invented a new way to hate Jews by pretending they are not antisemites: they’re promoting evil as a bizarro morality. The liberal left doesn’t actually care about Palestinians, their ‘underdogs du jour’. Mostly they hate Israel and Jews, even though some of their best friends are jewish. You see, if they cared even a fig for innocent Gazans they’d be screaming for Hamas terrorists to surrender. Other people have said this, but when Hamas drops their guns there is peace. When Israel drops their guns, there is no more Israel.

   A pause in the fighting would be great if the rest of the hostages are released. And then Israel will get the job done of ridding the world of Hamas. It’s tragic that no Arab country in the world wants to take in Gazans, the civilian population of Israel’s enemy combatants, Hamas, who started a war of genocide against Jews that israel did not ask for or want. No one wants to take in a largely radicalized society in their midst. Israel makes more allowances for Gazan civilians than their own leaders, and certainly more than Egypt, Jordan, or any other Muslim country who has forsaken them, even the youngest and most innocent. But go ahead and blame Israel anyway. It’s what every antisemite in the world does and has always done.

   The supposed “moral high ground” bandied about in accusations against Israel, falsely saying that Jews (like me) favor committing genocide, apartheid, colonization, is, in fact, pure evil. Israel is not supposed to eliminate Hamas, the evil terrorists using Gazans and Jews and hospitals and mosques and schools and homes as shields, according to the woke-ness crowd? Israel, as David Mintz says, should be “dismantled”, although he claims he doesnt know how this should be done– while he shouts for CEASEFIRE NOW. That’s how it’s done, as if he didn’t know. A call for a ceasefire is exactly how it’s done. Get Israel to lay down its arms. Then Hamas can “dismantle’ it and, you know, chop off babies’ heads and burn and rape and torture.

   I have personally been targeted by antisemites here in comment after comment, week after week since 10/7, for my love of and support for Israel. Antisemites label me as a person who is toxic, hates Palestinians, Muslims, all Arabs, all men, as having a heart so filled with hate that I favor genocide of Gazans, don’t care about Gazan babies, care only about pretty Jewish girls, and hate all “goyim”. I have been told that my “Zionism”, my love and support for Israel is “radical” in one breath, and in the next, told by one of the most loudly antisemitic people on these pages that he too is a Zionist. Apparently he looked up the definition of the word and thinks he fits, even though an actual Zionist supports Israel and NOT a ceasefire now. It is the anti-zionists, anti-Jews, who never once call for a surrender of Hamas and release of hostages. The contradictions and blatant lies make my head spin.

   I have seen with my own eyes, the frustration and rage of antisemites who want Israel supporters to stop dwelling on the terrorists’s war crimes and depraved atrocities of October 7th. They’ve had enough and don’t wish to be reminded. Then they carry on about Gazans, never mentioning that Hamas should lay down their arms and surrender so the killing can end. I have seen no concern, no mention whatsoever from these morality smugs, what happens to Israel if there is a ceasefire without surrender from Hamas and release of hostages.

   And after all the personal attacks of hatred and lies imagined by antisemites, who now even object to the terms “antisemite” and “Jew-hater” (it’s overused, according to Jew-haters) there is a total disconnect for a people whose freedoms have been robbed by Hamas terrorists. I mean, do useful idiots think the Hamas war on Israel is over land, not killing all Jews? That Palestinians are in any way “free” under Hamas? Then, in an irony I couldn’t possibly concoct even in a fairy tale, I am told, in all seriousness, about the “true meaning” of Chanukah, and lectured, by someone promoting antisemitic lies to put aside “ill feelings”. You see, the antisemities have had enough of people who stand up for Israel. They’re ready to move on and go back to pretending we haven’t learned who the antisemites are.

   The weird thing is, as a former liberal myself, I find myself unable to believe most of anything of what the liberal cares about is sincere now. All i see is their own half-asleep woke-ness that is the epitome of intolerance and hate. Scratch the surface of any liberal left progressive and you find his inner Proud-Boy, but with a liberal arts degree.

   “…put aside some of the ill feelings and divisions and reflect on the true meaning of the Chanukah ritual, even if only for a few minutes.”

   In case anyone still does not understand my writing, I will never “put aside” the ugly antisemitism expressed by a number of people in these pages. I am proud to be an American who is pro-Israel. Antisemites without an ounce of self-awareness should not be lecturing on the meaning of Chanukah, or on anything having to do with Judaism, not when they are accusing israel and israel supporters, over and over, of wanting a genocide… instead of supporting them for ridding the world of inhuman, monstrous terrorists… and instead of offering comfort and support to their jewish neighbors who are suffering and mourning. There is zero support for Israel and Jewish people from antisemites on Martha’s Vineyard. It will never be forgotten. But when a person who has spouted antisemitic rhetoric and Hamas lies for more than 2 months is ready to mansplain the meaning of Chanukah, we get woke, white privilege, cultural appropriation– that is supposedly abhored by the liberal left? Can progressive liberal left antisemitism get any less self-aware of their mansplain-y misogynistic antisemitism and please get a clue what they’re doing and saying? We’re onto you, although it’s become clear you are not onto yourselves.

   It is Hamas and extremist islamists who want a genocide. We have MV antisemites claiming they’ve come to use that word, genocide, as supposedly perpetrated by Israel, reluctantly. In fact, they used it frequently, beginning less than a week after 10/7, and haven’t stopped using it since, always ready to blame Israel. It is an antisemitic slap in the face to Jews who experienced actual genocide in Europe and ethnic cleansing in Arab countries within recent history. Gaza and West Bank residents are over 70% in favor of the well funded and meticulously planned October 7th pogrom conducted by Hamas–according to Palestinian surveys. There are many more promised pogroms to come, and that is why Israel, with or without support, will rid the world of Hamas. You can thank them later. Or not. The feelings of antisemites sitting on Martha’s Vineyard or in NY or London or Turkey or worldwide, spreading lies and Jew-hatred are not considered, now, or ever, not when Israel’s survival is at stake. Those on the right side of history know this to be true. Those on the side of evil, or complicit with it by being useful idiots, have a lot to learn.

10. Im so fearful – Jackie..
    We are shoveling ****
    against the tide.
    Stay strong!
    You are not alone
    Peace.

11. Apparently, when antisemites are exposed supporting the “dismantling” of Israel, (hello, Ceasefire Now), they like to accuse pro-israel Jewish support as “Islamaphobic”. It’s such an odd defense of their Jew-hatred and justifications for Hamas terrorism even though Israeli Arab citizens live and work and vote freely in Israel. Always have. Christian citizens, too. There is no basis for claiming Jewish support for Israel translates to hatred of all Arabs— instead of hatred for murderous extremist Islamic terrorism— but what else can an exposed antisemite lash out against? “I know you are but what am I” and “But I have a Jewish partner” is the only proof they have that their Jew-hatred is only a dislike of Netanyahu. Their ignorance of Israel, Judaism and its ideals, and all aspects of what 10-7 has meant has made the sort of Marthas Vineyard antisemitism we see here undeniable. Forget history. Antisemites won’t have it, preferring instead to make up lies.

    It’s like agreeing with the rabbi who suggested that kindness was a good idea in respecting views of others in a Times article about how to support the Jewish community in shock and mourning, but immediately turning around and calling the support for Israel’s right to exist “Islamaphobic”. Makes sense, I suppose… if you hate Jews as much as the hypocritical liberal left’s agenda does and want to see the results of what a ceasefire without a Hamas surrender actually means for Israel and the remaining hostages.

    • Jackie—There is no basis for claiming support for
      innocent Palestinians translates to hatred of all
      Jews.

12. “Hamas’ secret strategy: Manufacture a humanitarian crisis; Generate international sympathy; Generate diplomatic pressure so Israel will stop defending itself; Get away with the October 7 Massacre”. ~eylonalevy

    “It [Hamas] hijacks aid, wages war out of hospitals, stores weapons in mosques, fights out of schools, tries to stop civilians evacuating, makes up fake air strikes, shoots rockets from the humanitarian zone…All because it thinks you’re a sucker.”

    • If even I KNOW that every liberal screeching for CeasefireNow is a sucker manipulated by terrorist Hamas after creating the humanitarian crises and ensuring the Palestinian civilian death would be tragically unbearable, imagine what the cheering terrorists KNOW about how to ensure the pressure on Israel to lay down its arms is their M.O. It’s what works for them. It’s why antisemites tear down KIDNAPPED posters of Jewish children stolen from their mother’s arms.

      The other thing the antisemitic liberal keyboard warriors seem entirely ignorant about, is that if Israel wanted to commit genocide on their way to eliminating Hamas, they certainly have the fire power to do that. But Israel doesn’t want civilian deaths because they are a moral people, even during war. Antisemites will never “get it”. Never.

13. There is no innocent Palestinian. Polls show at least 75 percent are ok with Hamas action on Oct 7. They voted for them back in 2006 and have never protested any of their actions nor even now. No one is innocent. There is no Israel atrocity–none. They are fighting for their very existence. You just dont get it. Jews have been persecuted for 2000 years and now they have a postage stamp of a country and wasteland neighbors still want them gone. Israel has turned a desert into an oasis and is a prime developer of technology for world wide use and wants to live in Peace. It gave back Gaza and Sinai and West bank and always came to peace negotiations and never got peace. Even Rabbis on MV dont get it. One nitpicks about 3 dead hostages in order to attempt a larger point but it falls on deaf ears. No reasonable person wants hostages dead but to use that argument to defend anti semitism is puerile

14. andy– I get it that Israel in under attack, and it’s idiotic terrorist neighbors want it eradicated.
    I get it that they have been persecuted for millenia.
    But how exactly is my “nitpicking” about the murder of 3 innocent Israelis who were abiding by all the rules of war and trying to surrender, white flag, no shirts, etc an argument for anti semitism ?
    Does the Israeli government and it’s armed forces think they can indiscriminately kill any civilians they want ? Has god suddenly given them that right ? All morality comes through her, according to you.
    I certainly know that there are some with willfully deaf ears out there.

    • Keller, you think you “get it”? You get nothing on this subject. No exceptions. For example, terrorists are not “idiotic”. The terrorists are way smarter than every pampered, privileged liberal they’ve succeeded in manipulating to side with them wanting a ceasefire now. The terrorists are pure evil personified. You can talk and talk and yes, nitpick to avoid that youve repeatedly supported the antisemitic and false view of Israel commiting a “genocide” for daring to protect its survival, and you still end up exactly where you are– on the wrong side of history, driving it home everytime you accuse Israel supporters of being full of hate for a whole group of people– it is called projection and gaslighting when you project what you feel for a group of people like Jews, onto the Jewish people who do not hate Arabs. Israel has always wanted a peaceful coexistence with their Arab neighbors. Always. It’s written in their Declaration of Independence. Yes, there is a small minority now that has given up, but most Jews haven’t. But guess who didn’t EVER want a peaceful coexistence, and swears by their Allah that they never will? You really have dug a hole for yourself in your comments that are all over the place but always end in the same unpleasant hole– not supporting Israel’s right to exist and failing to recognize its extreme need to defend and protect that right now, since the October 7 Massacre. You’ve allowed for a little defense, just a little, but not too much. So say the anti-Zionists. And just so you know too, anti-zionists are anti-jews. More than 90% of wordwide Jews, about 15 million, are Zionists. Calling someone a Zionist in a derogatory way is simply the updated version of calling someone a dirty Jew. The ones who are are standing outside on the Vineyard on Sundays, screeching for a CeaseFireNow favor a Hamas victory and allowing the terrorists to get away with the rapes, torture, kidnappings, beheadings and burnings, although most protesters are not smart enough to have that self-awareness of what they’re actually doing. But the organizer knows exactly what he’s doing. Right, Mintz?

    • Keller the killing of three was a terrible accident and for you to believe and post that it is ”Indiscriminately killing any civilians they want” is another nail in your anti semitic coffin. You run out of ammunition so you go to the three killed as if that justifies the moral equivalence argument. It is as if Ukranians killing three Soviet soldiers during Stalins pogroms of Ukraine was a terrible thing. Better for you to stay off these pages on this subject.

15. This is why CeasefireNow is antisemitic, aware or unaware of what they are supporting, doesn’t much matter when the end result is the same: the destruction of Israel and murder of all Jews everywhere.

    “Today, as we see the murderous destruction in Israel, that hope is dimmed. All our lives we mourned for our loved ones lost to the genocidal actions of the Nazis and their collaborators, but we hoped the lessons of the past could shape a different future. Today we mourn for Israel that holds such special meaning for us.
    In our youth, we were proud Jews in our communities throughout Europe. Eventually, that meant escape or certain death. We wanted to flee, but no one would take us. We longed for freedom and security, but there was no Jewish State. Today, the State of Israel is the guarantor of a Jewish future, but it is under horrific assault by Hamas terrorists. Today, men, women and children are again targeted as Jews. Today, we witness the worst killing of Jews since the Holocaust.
    This is not what we expected in this final chapter of our lives, as we contemplate our legacy, the future of Holocaust memory and education, and the future of our people. We write this letter to humanity in sorrow but also in hope. We know pain few can comprehend, having seen our families and communities obliterated. We are living proof that the unthinkable is always possible.
    We are also living proof of resilience. That we can rebuild as our fierce determination demonstrates. We must be realistic about the dangers, but we must never despair. That would be a victory for those seeking to destroy us. That is why memory and education become more important with each passing year. And why we are proud of our contributions to fortify new generations to face the challenges that lie ahead. We promised our loved ones we would never forget and never give up. Especially at this darkest of moments, that remains our promise and our challenge to humanity.”
    https://www.ushmm.org/information/press/press-releases/an-open-letter-on-the-hamas-attacks-from-a-community-of-holocaust-survivors?utm_term=s1_hamas&utm_campaign=E20231218MKTEMA&utm_medium=email&mkt_tok=MTY1LUtZTy02MTYAAAGQHPREsizlAMPqB11QnSDVTzL4TLvdPRslasu68EFI8ksONVmTLeI86czHXwvPDGLrHDdf0Exl_bh528Jlx_uJ6-ZTqmQdesTlNTkCLDfvXSGbDA&utm_content=txtlink&utm_source=mkto

16. Jackie– I have asked a number of times for you to
    quote me on a lie that i have spread about
    Jews, but it has been in the context of longer comments
    that have not been approved,
    So– I’ll keep it simple– Find a LIE that I have spread
    about anything to do with Judaism. I want to see it,
    because i think you are lying about what I have said.
    Of course, you have not actually pointed out any lies, just
    the typical vague accusations that go with your newfound
    right wing agenda.
    Show me my lies, Jackie.
    Verifiable LIES– not your opinion that i am lying when
    I say “I Stand with Israel”
    I’ll say it one more time– a LIE about the Jewish
    people that I have uttered.

    • Keller. Jackie does not have a “”newfound right wing agenda.””She is liberal on most things but on this she has conviction and it ain’t binary. “When men choose not to believe in God, they do not thereafter believe in nothing, they then become capable of believing in anything.” (G.k Chesterton)

17. Hess I dont know what the true figures are but I wont repeat a Hamas lie about 18000 and that is what you are doing and it shows you trust Hamas. What I know is that Israel is not practicing indiscriminate killing and by the way there are thousands of Jews and Christians living in Gaza and I am certain Israel does not want them dead.

18. Don, what do you think Israel’s military strategy should be? I am asking for specifics. How would you go about eliminating Hamas in its entirety while sparing each civilian under these intentionally entangled circumstances?

    • Katie– I know it’s a very difficult situation.
      hamas is ruthless, they use innocents
      as shields, they hide in hospitals and schools,
      and they have a sophisticated system of
      tunnels that they hide in like the rats they are.

      Israel has a very advanced intelligence community,
      and an overwhelmingly superior military, complete
      with highly trained commando units.
      I am not saying that there is any way to completely
      eliminate the collateral damage. But I think the collateral
      death rate is too high. If they suspect there is a hamas
      terrorist in a 6 story apartment building, it is unacceptable
      to raze the building with an airstrike and kill dozens of
      people in the hope that they get the one they are
      after. Of course, air strikes put the fewest IDF members
      at risk, but it also results in the highest number of
      civilian casualties. How many is too many ?
      Some here argue that the official numbers from
      the Palestinian health agencies are inflated.
      That could be, but the numbers are very high
      regardless if it’s 20,000 or 15,000.
      Part of the problem is that Israel will not allow
      independent agencies into Gaza to help with
      the verification processes. Why won’t they ?

      I am strongly opposed to the blockades of
      medicine, food water and power that are
      affecting such a large number of people.
      Unsanitary conditions will certainly lead to
      outbreaks of disease. This is deliberate, and
      considered biological warfare by some.
      At this point, I think Hamas has been
      seriously degraded, but the world’s opinion
      seems to be shifting because of Israel’s
      heavy handed tactics. And that may spawn
      a new generation of terrorist.
      Clearly the roots of isis were planted in the U.S
      invasion of Iraq.
      The world expected an israeli response. They did not
      expect this level of carnage.
      At this point , the only civilized way to eliminate
      these terrorist is to go in there and kill them
      one at a time.
      Unfortunately for everyone involved, there
      is no easy way out. The hatred nurtured for
      millenia will not subside with more violence.

    • Thank you for asking this question, Katie.

19. There is a moral answer to Katie’s question. We didn’t get it. We got lots of liberal left platitudes, but mostly blame of Israel… for being “violent”. And that the “world” didn’t expect Israel to fight this hard for its survival.
    ———————–

    A moral answer would know not to put the onus for the war, the responsibility for it, and the blame for civilian deaths on Israel, as they fight an unwanted war for survival after being attacked in the most heinous way imaginable. An antisemitic answer to the question says nothing about a strategy, buy puts all the responsibility for the war at the feet of… the Jews. Not the terrorists who started the war, wanted the war, and will not stop the war until every Jew on the planet is dead. There is no suggestion about what must happen to end the war– except that Jews cannot and should not do what they must do if Hamas does not surrender.

    Hamas— you know, the rapist terrorist kidnappers who burn and torture and behead moms and dads and babies– must lay down their arms and surrender. The cost to their own people is too great. But if they don’t, the liberal left will call Israel genocidal. They’ve been doing that before Israel fought back, while they were still picking through ash of former people and trying to match a decapitated head with a body. Over and over, it’s Israel’s fault. All of it.

    You never hear an antisemite suggest Hamas must surrender and release all the hostages. Why? It never occurs to them. They have been accusing israel and israel supporters [like me] of wanting and executing a genocide against Palestinians, even though that is unquestionably a false and antisemitic accusation.

    Most of the world’s hatred for Jews and disregard for its legal and fair founding, its history, and its right to exist and defend itself from more pograms, agrees to all the different but immoral non-answers on what Israel should do– when they’re not screaming about a ceasefire so hamas can regroup. That’s because antisemites don’t care about israel’s survival. It’s just not on their radar. Israel can fight for it, but not too much. Certainly not enough to get the job done. And really, the liberals can’t take it. War, you know. So, why doj’t they and all the international orgs demand a surrender from the terrorists? Because jews looking bad, like killers who kill babies, is good for jew haters.

    An antisemite will never suggest how to help stop antisemitism. Or object to obvious antisemitism, like accusing Israel [and me] of wanting a genoicide of Gazans. That’s because they promote their antisemitism while denying it so vehemently that they stoop to ends even I never dreamed they would be capapble of. Live and learn.

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