A conversation about uncovering truth in a “post-truth era” kicked off this year’s Islanders Write series on Sunday night at Featherstone.
The opening talk was moderated by MV Times publisher Charles Sennott and featured a panel of four speakers including John Forté, Dawn Porter, John Battelle and Dr. Ala Stanford. Each panelist came from different perspectives to deliver fresh takes on what it means to deliver truth.
Islanders Write, opening Sunday evening, featured a list of writer talks and workshops all day on Monday as well.
In the current age of artificial intelligence and the rampant spread of misinformation through social media, Sunday’s discussion focused on the future of delivering truth across a variety of sectors, from public health to music.
Dr. Stanford, pediatric surgeon and founder of the Black Doctors COVID-19 Consortium, highlighted racial injustice within public health, and how to adjust biases to uncover truth. She said her new book, “Take Care of Them Like My Own,” was an attempt to deliver the truth about disparities in the public health crisis, especially in the time of COVID-19.
“The book is about triumph over tragedy,” said Stanford. Her work in founding the Black Doctors Consortium, her experience growing up inside Philadelphia and helping the community amidst the COVID-19 crisis is detailed in her book.
Stanford emphasized her reliance on facts and data, coming from a public health perspective. And in a similar way, Dawn Porter, filmmaker and documentarian featured at The Sundance Film Festival, described how her work centers around facts as a storyteller.
Her work, Porter said, is grounded in truth. She’s told stories throughout history, including her most recent project recounting the life of former First Lady, Claudia Alta “Lady Bird” Johnson. She said she has always placed emphasis on accuracy and fact checking when it comes to making her films.
“Lens matters, as does the way that truth is being delivered to you,” Porter said. In her collaboration with John Oliver — of Last Week Tonight — on a film she did about abortion laws, Porter described the process with which his team went about meticulously fact checking everything.
From a documentarian perspective, she said, the rules regarding ethics can sometimes lie in a gray area. Currently, she and other documentarians speak frequently about how truth can be delivered more effectively through documentary storytelling and what needs to be done to uphold that standard.
John Battelle, founder of Wired, gave a similar perspective to Porter as a journalist himself.
“It’s often easier to find lies than it is to find truth,” Battelle said about how we digest online media. From his perspective, the current state of the media has a tendency to market toward an audience, which often compromises truth.
And in a sector much different from other panelists, John Forté, who worked on production of the Fugees album “The Score,” shined a light on his work in the music and production industry. When it comes to the “post-truth era,” he described the rise of artificial intelligence and began to demystify the uncertainty around it.
Forté described the benefits he experienced when utilizing artificial intelligence tools inside his work, although feeling skeptical and unsure at first as many others. And he emphasized that inside the world of hip hop, there is a need to “keep things real” inside lyrics.
His hope, he described, is to be a truth teller for the next generations. He said he’s thinking of his kids when doing that work.
“Everyone of these Islanders are truth tellers,” Sennott said about the panel, “all fighting for truth.”
The panel closed after a couple hours of discussion, and Islanders Write continues to move into Monday with workshops and another set of speakers.
Thank you for printing the Truth.
Forgot AI. We already have issues with the truth now. The liberal bias in the mainstream media tells half truths, ignores facts/events and promotes an agenda that colors their reporting. No wonder most Americans don’t trust the media.
The right is far worse. You can’t tell me Fox and OAN aren’t full of lies, half truths and bias.
I would respectfully disagree
Peter, you said that the left is lying.
I’m not convinced of that. Would you
be able to share some examples?
See my comments below to Don.
And I will respectfully say you’re wrong.
Lol
Ok
Jim, so lies that are told on your side are somehow better than the lies told on the other side? Yup, got it, makes sense now. It’s ok when your side does it to save democracy.
Where did I say it was better or identify my side? What I said was the right leaning news sites are far worse with the lies and half truths they spread.
Carl– there is a point where pathological lying
takes on a bit of a different intent.
Yes, There are untruths on both side, but the right wing
media is outlying the liberal by about a hundred to one.
trump is running ahead of Biden by an order of magnitude.
And they are telling REAL lies. Come on, trump
took a sharpie to an official National Hurricane Center
forecast to prove he was right about Alabama
being threatened by hurricane Dorian– He stole that
official map when he left office, by the way.
https://www.al.com/news/2022/02/trump-reportedly-took-sharpie-gate-alabama-hurricane-map-after-leaving-office.html
My tax dollars paid to have that map printed on that piece
of paper and laminated — It belongs in the national archives.
Don,
I will refer you to Peter Robb comments. The mainstream media is not just lying they are literally rewriting their stories to cover up lies with more lies. If you can’t see that the left lies just as much as the right well then let’s just drop this back and forth as we will both just get aggravated.
Carl, can we at least differentiate between Trump and Harris? We know full well that Trump is not truthful most of the time. Harris on the other hand is truthful most of the time. Can we check that with the fact checkers?
Carl, frankly, we should all be concerned about the goals of the Republican Party. Trump said that if we vote for him we will never have to vote again. Trump is friends with Putin who essentially won’t allow the Russians to vote. In Russia at the last presidential election voters were encouraged to vote as soldiers with guns went door to door collecting the votes. I’ve often wondered if the people who voted for Hitler were ever sorry about it later.
I agree about lies of omission, Peter. Can’t count how many times over the past few years I’ve had to seek out additional details because newspapers seem unwilling to address certain events and topics in full. They sometimes choose not to report on major stories at all. In my experience, truly unbiased sources are impossible to find nowadays.
I’m terribly concerned about AI as it pertains to news, especially of the political variety. The last thing we need is another reason to be doubtful. While there are some valuable applications for this technology in the medical arena, it’s already had a negative impact on publishing—both fiction and nonfiction.
And, I suppose, differentiating between the two.
What Katie said.
What we are seeing with the media today where the main stream media is literally rewriting their stories of the past to cover up ineptitudes of their chosen candidates. It’s unconscionable. All media left and right should be admonished and held accountable for knowingly manipulating their readers. So un American.
Agreed, Carl. Navigating media now feels like a full-time job. And we’ve entered an emperor’s-new-clothes-y period in which some express genuine anger when you dare to notice the lies, rapid shifts in narrative, misdirection, and revisionism.
Not my idea of productive American discourse. Or a fair election.
Katie, I should add—I really like you. There’s absolutely no animosity whatsoever. I would hire you in a heartbeat to join my team.
Carl and Katie, neither of you have criticized the Republican Party for nominating an aging candidate. You don’t seem to have any obligation yourself to uncover the ineptitude of the Republican candidate.
Let’s not accuse others of what you do yourself.
I’m not sure where the question of age is coming from, Mary, but would like to clarify some stuff. It’s true that I haven’t remarked on Trump being 78. That’s because I’ve never criticized any political candidate for his or her age, regardless of party. I’m actually opposed to doing so and have said as much here since the 2020 election cycle.
In my opinion, Biden’s relevant troubles are medical. That’s how I’ve always framed them, and that is my concern. While there may be interplay between the two, it’s never a chronological number that raises objections. Not from me.
Age alone shouldn’t preclude someone—anyone—from taking office. You can be young and experience cognitive issues—I’ve been dealing with them since 28 due to malpractice—or you can be 82 and the most wise, productive person in a room. I respect that possibility with all of my heart. I just don’t feel it can be said of Biden’s performance.
I don’t take a partisan-determined approach to issues, preferring to look at them one by one as they come to light. I’ve made critical comments about Republican policy, etc., but after nearly a decade of reading overly hostile talk, I seldom have something new to contribute about Trump.
Some of that talk I’ve taken to skipping because it goes nowhere. Recently, I did pen a couple of lengthy explanations about his legal cases in an attempt to illustrate the judicial process. These were fact-heavy and politically neutral. Ended up deleting both after deciding it was a futile effort—neutrality is often frowned upon or misconstrued on these pages.
My reply to Carl was not partisan. Its intent was simple: I’m tired of the extreme ad-hom that takes over whenever stating fact or opinion about current events. They’re too important to overshadow. My own posts are almost never intended to come across as angry or anything more than chatter written in a calm and (usually) friendly tone. Perhaps that doesn’t translate well online.
I use the disclaimers “almost” and “usually” because I am indeed angered by things like protesting and insulting Jewish Americans over a foreign war. There is a line to be walked between being firm in our stances and being outright cruel. I attempt to stay on the appropriate side of that divide and to be consistent in my messaging.
Also, I forgot to note that Carl explicitly stated he’s referring to all media, left and right. Any brand of deceptive media contributes to our decline as a nation.
Mary, I didn’t criticize Biden for being old. I criticized him for being an idiot with terrible policies that are ruing this country. But if you are competent age does not matter. And I have said many times that Trump is not a person that I am fond of his policies on the other hand are very much in line with mine. See Mary the difference between liberal and myself is that I don’t make decisions based on feeling I make them on facts. You should try taking emotions out of your decision making process Mary and maybe you will see the truth.
Is Fox mainstream?
Are you?
Peter, The Fairness Doctrine had two basic elements: It required broadcasters to devote some of their airtime to discussing controversial matters of public interest, and to air contrasting views regarding those matters.
Let’s work together to try to revive The Fairness Doctrine.
Mary,
Your reply was only half true, which means it was mostly false, revealing the difference between the stated reason and actual reason. The Fairness Doctrine was sold as a means to provide balance by requiring a range of views in broadcast media. Sounds nice, doesn’t it? Very egalitarian.
But in actuality, it was a clever leftist tactic intended to pull conservative talk radio off the airwaves, since the doctrine required equal time for liberal talk radio. In other words, it was a stealth form of censorship in the following manner. In the marketplace, where advertising revenue runs the show, conservative talk radio makes money because people want to listen to it and do. That’s not the case with liberal talk radio in that same marketplace. People don’t want to listen to it and don’t. When commercial broadcasting networks were forced to provide both, the money losing red ink of the liberal talk diluted the money making black ink of the conservative talk so much in the balance sheets that simply doing away with both was the best financial decision. And that was the intention from the git-go by those who proposed the Fairness Doctrine.
John, we wouldn’t want to be exposed to a different point of view, it might turn us into aliens.
Putin kills people who have a different
point of view in Russia. Trump thinks
Putin is a good guy. And Trump
has personally borrowed millions
(that we know of) from Russia.
Who will Trump serve if elected?
https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/09/05/yevgeny-prigozhin-assassination-vladimir-putin-wagner-deal-revenge/#cookie_message_anchor
https://www.rferl.org/amp/enemies-kremlin-deaths-prigozhin-list/32562583.html
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-trump-property/
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/1999841/trump-tells-russian-tv-that-putin-is-a-great-guy-and-terrific-person-at-g-20-summit/
What john said!
interesting conspiracy theory you get there John.
Don,
Perhaps you may already know, but the term “conspiracy theory” was coined by the CIA in the wake of the bogus Warren Commission’s report on the assassination of JFK in order discredit those who presented contrary evidence or opinion that Lee Harvey Oswald did not act alone. So whenever I see anyone use that term, I am reminded of such intent. By the way, I was shocked the other day when you mentioned you were 72. I would have bet the farm you were a recent graduate with some liberal arts degree.
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John– Nope. Perhaps you don’t remember me–
I worked on the Kerr house , aka “the lightning
house”. But you are somewhat correct, I did major in
special education when I lived in N.J , and then Liberal arts
when I moved to Maine, because the University of
Maine at Augusta did not offer a special ed course.
I got married and had a daughter a year later, so took
a break from school. By the time i could go back
the statute of limitations from the GI benefits had expired.
Since I was no longer doing drugs and was a responsible
single parent at that time, I opted not to go back to selling
drugs to finance my education– I bet Jackie is proud
of me for that. so– no degree. I got educated, juist
don’t have the paper.
Sorry to share so much personal information but I have
been watching the DNC convention
and they are telling us all about their personal
lives, so why not me ?
The Fairness Doctrine applies to public communication over public airwaves.
It does not apply to privately owned wires.
That is now the major source of news.
It is how I ‘read’ the MVT.
Peter. Here’s the problem.
This guy recently broke his own record with 162 lies and disinformation
in a 64 minute news conference. Here is the complete
list.
https://www.northcountrypublicradio.org/news/npr/nx-s1-5070566/162-lies-and-distortions-in-a-news-conference-npr-fact-checks-former-president-trump
And here is a particularly odd one.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/15/politics/video/trump-daniel-dale-fact-check-economic-speech-sitroom-digvid
Would you like to see the video of trump claiming that there were
“no wars”– in the world — when he left office ?
Show me some examples of blatant lies by the liberal media please.
But about that case where fox paid $787 million dollars to settle the lawsuit from
dominion about rigged voting machines. And don’t forget about creepy uncle Rude-e
and his claim that Hugo Chaves ( always good to pick a hated person to blame for something) was the one who “rigged ” the machines for the 2020 election more than a year after he died. I wonder if you know he died ? Or was that just a “fake news” story ?
Speaking of — who won the 2020 election for president ?
Perhaps you can do a little research about the media and truth telling while you take Tucker Carlson’s advice and spend a little time becoming more “manly”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kADAHqaNRgw
The liberal media carry water for the democrats/liberals/proressives these days. ABC/CBS/NBC/CNN/MSDNC/NPR/NYT/WAPO/Hollywood, etc. It’s baked in every day
Americans are batteries by the media into submission. Oh, it starts early with education of young kids through college. If you know some kids, you know what I’m talking about. The Truth is buried but is there if you care enough to dig for it. Problem is that most people, especially young people are already indoctrinated by the left.
Peter, how about children who are indoctrinated by family members to be racist? I’ve watched it happen.
That’s a whole different conversation Mary
Peter, you said that children are indoctrinated by the left. Conservatives are indoctrinating children, but not in a peaceful way. The KKK has a place in Trump’s politics.
Therefore, not a different conversation, it IS the conversation.
Peter, my belief is that you and I want the same thing for our families: freedom, the ability to follow our dreams, and a better life for our children.
Or antisemitic? We all read the adult support of college kids being antisemitic, lying, and hating Israel, right here in these pages. That did not seem to bother you, Mary. Truth is something you are grateful for, except when the truth makes the hypocrisy and lack of truthfulness of the liberal left so obvious.
Or Islamophobic ?
Who did you learn your biases from ?
Peter– I spent my first 8 years in a catholic
school. I was told that Catholicism was the only
“true religion” and that if I doubted it or anything they
said, god would know it and banish me to eternal suffering
in a pit of fire. The nuns backed it up by beating the crap out of
the kids. I don’t think they were liberals.
There are many forms of thought control, both political and social. Think stalinist Russia, nazi Germany and Jonestown.
Don, you are papering over years of media deceit. Off the top of my head while walking my dog…here are just some examples of MSM not practicing journalism: Hunter Bidens laptop, the Russian/trump hoax, covering up biden family illegal activities that just resulted in 230 page House indictment, covering up bidens health, covering up kamalas (and Walzs) leftist (and failed) policies, disastrous Afghanistan pullout, true effects of bidenomics, Iran’s terrorist efforts, covering up the Chinese covid evidence, papering over BLM violence (and recent anti Israel protests), bigotry in the Ivy League, etc. Our media has failed us. Voters have been mislead by ommission and commission. The Truth? It’s been hiding in plain sight.
Peter, when we pulled out of Vietnam, 30,000 to 50,000 people died during the withdrawal. How many did we lose in the withdrawal of Afghanistan?
Abandoning Afghanistan invited putin to invade ukraine and xi got excited about Taiwan. We abandoned billions in equipment and left Americans and friends behind. Our military had a better plan to leave nut biden/harris team ignored it for political reasons. Shame on them. And now the Taliban and ISIS are stronger. A huge strategic mistake
Peter– trump praised himself for signing a peace deal
with the Taliban in Feb of 2020 to end the war in Afghanistan
— but never implemented it.
Why not ? Spoiler alert– withdrawing from a decades old
war is messy business, and there was no logistical way
to get that equipment out without leaving our
brave men and women defenseless against the ruthless
Taliban. The idea that the last soldier out carries the
last gun is ludicrous.
Peter, can we discuss China? And Russia?
Putin invaded Ukraine because Obama (bless his heart) allowed Putin to take Crimea.
Putin is a thug. Putin said when he’s finished with Ukraine he’s moving forward to invade other countries. He won’t stop until we (US, Europeans, Ukrainians, or any other country willing to oppose Putin) stop him. Putin already said he has his sights set on Poland and Finland, for starters. We (the US) should have blocked him before he took Crimea.
But why Crimea? Because Russia is a little bit landlocked and Putin wanted more port area. Russia doesn’t have much in the way of industry except oil (one of the reasons the Russians interfere in our and other countries elections) and Putin wants to maintain his lavish lifestyle. And since oil is going out of style, Putin wants the money now. Ukraine is a breadbasket. ? Putin wants the food security. (By the way, we should too. Allowing US farms to be turned into subdivisions is a crime.)
Xi is very clever. (Don’t misunderstand, he’s still a dictator!) Xi is using the free electricity from solar and wind to build more solar and wind. Average people just can’t comprehend the enormous amount of money the Chinese are beginning to save. It will be trillions!
I wish that Trump wouldn’t have been so short-sighted as to impose tariffs. We didn’t need the inflation that it caused. Diplomatic solutions are almost always better.
What did the liberal press fail to cover about Hunter’s laprtop?
What is on Hunter’s laptop?
Who put it there.
Who had custody?
Mary. Electricity is not free. Not from solar not from wind not from anything.
Forgot about massive cover up of our Border Crisis and the fentanyl crisis. The MSM lied about the huge impacts on Sanctuary Cities (NYC already spent $5 billion on illegal residents! (Boston $1 billion!!). Shame on the press!
Peter, the interesting thing about these immigrants is that the government is helping them transition to upstanding, community enriching, rich, taxpayers. For every billion we spend on them, we get 20 billion in return. Pull out your calculator and see if that’s a benefit.
Hmmmm. Not sure about your numbers. I see sanctuary cities struggling to house, feed, educate, medicate tens of thousands of illegals. Even progressive governors secrying uncle as the price tag goes up. $5 billion in Manhattan so far, projected to double in next few years. Boston is struggling at $1billion/year. Other cities struggling too. The biden/harris/walz open borders policy is ruining the country. It doesn’t work. Biden and harris should be impeached over this issue!
The biden harris administration has lost track of more than 320,000 migrant children according to a shocking new report. See today’s ny post
The NY Post is an extremely biased publication. Refuse to read the garbage.
Peter– really ? do you think that liberal news outlets had
some sort of “massive cover up” about the border and the opioid
crisis. Are you serious ?
I googles “cnn reporting on the opioid crisis. ”
Thousands of hits– Look at the one from 2017
And the one from the guy who has been reporting on cnn
about opioids for 15 years.
https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?hspart=sz&hsimp=yhs-002&p=cnn+coverage+of+opioid+crisis&type=type80271-1069898077¶m1=1691731670
And on the border crisis
Literally hundreds of articles about it on cnn.
https://www.google.com/search?q=cnn+reporting+of+border+crisis&sca_esv=736aef29f1ec0651&sca_upv=1&tbm=nws&ei=B0rGZqv8H8anptQPgrCz8QE&start=50&sa=N&ved=2ahUKEwjrm-W48oaIAxXGk4kEHQLYLB44lgEQ8tMDegQIAhAE&biw=1920&bih=945&dpr=1
How about going to page 6 of the above link and reading this article by \
cnn on Sept 22 2023 that talks about the 8,600 migrants that crossed
the border in one 24 hour period.
The problem , Peter, is that you have been lied to by your right wing
echo chambers and are so far down the rabbit hole that
you actually believe and
post ridiculous conspiracy theories about “massive coverups” .
And by the way– you might want to read this cnn news story from oct 5 2023 about migrants arriving in northern “dem run cities”
https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/05/politics/biden-border-wall/index.html
Please don’t miss the line where cnn says
“New York officials have said the city will spend $5 billion on the migrant influx this year, straining the city.”
And I can show you plenty of coverage on all the issues
that you mention from dozens of liberal media sites.
Shame on the right wing rabbit hole media for lying to you about
the liberal media lying to you.
It’s all there — All you have to do is get your head out
of that rabbit hole and turn off the echo chamber.
“Show me some examples of blatant lies by the liberal media please.”
How long a night do you have, Don?
Let’s start with the three year lie of Trump’s “collusion” with Russia, for which many media companies won multiple awards and none was returned even after the egg had long dried on their faces.
How about Hunter Biden’s laptop, for which both the media and former intel agents termed “Russian dis-information?” And this when the FBI itself had long confirmed the laptop’s authenticity, including the porn, the drugs and the bribery business with foreign governments.
Need I say, “safe and effective?”
Going down history lane a wee bit further, can we say, “Weapons of Mass Destruction” or “Gulf of Tonkin?”
And then there’s the grand daddy of them all, the lies told by Walter Duranty of the postcard Potemkin villages during Stalin’s butchering and starvation of millions during his reign of horror. The Pulitzer board still refuses to revoke that Pulitzer Prize, and the New York Times still won’t give it back.
John, one of my family members was in a meeting with Trump about 50 years ago trying to figure out how to help Trump make his payments to the Russians. He’s been working with the Russians for a very long time.
Citing as some sort of proof, “one of my family members” from 50 years ago is less reliable than the NY Post. It’s a ridiculous addition to any discussion. Isn’t it time you realize that “I knew someone who..” is not a reasonable argument for or against anything? Bringing hearsay and rumor to a discussion turns it into garbage. Cite your sources and if you can’t, no one takes you seriously.
What john said!
John– I think you are a bit confused with that “weapons of
mass destruction” comment. I think fox reported on that one,
as did liberal networks. what liberal networks have not done
is get their financial pants on fire sued right off of them
for their brazen
lies. Even Rupert admitted that the lies about the
election were so blatant they had to fire their biggest
cash cow. Still think the election was stolen ?
And collusion ? Come on– Here is what the committee
headed by the dumbest witch hunter in the house
and his republican mob found about the collusion in the
laptop case, which fox pushed every day for years.
https://judiciary.house.gov/media/press-releases/new-information-shows-cia-contractors-colluded-biden-campaign-discredit-hunter
Just a few days ago the leader of the republican party
cult said you can’t walk across the street to get a loaf of
bread ( if you have photo ID so you can buy it of course)
without getting shot or raped. Nearly every every category of
crime has been dropping dramatically since Biden took office.
Especially murder and other violent crimes.
But don’t tell that to republicans– they believe their feurer
and the liars at fox.
https://www.statista.com/topics/1750/violent-crime-in-the-us/#topicOverview
So let me ask you– If CNN reports that trump said he
“went down” in a helicopter with Willie Brown, and it turns out
to be a complete lie, is CNN lying ?
John– It seems you think that a murderous leader
deliberately starving millions of people ,
or maybe just one million, constitutes a
“Reign of terror” ? What do you know– we agree
on something once again. —–I think —
am I reading you correctly ?
Or is it ok to starve people sometimes and not others.
Or is it ok to starve people if they have different religious
beliefs than you ?
Forgot AI. We already have issues with the truth now. The conservative media tells half truths, ignores facts/events and promotes an agenda that colors their reporting. No wonder most Americans don’t trust the conservatives.
There is no conservative media except Fox. That’s why Fox regularly trounce many liberal outlets. It’s the last stand for many folks
Really? Fox News + Conservative media ≠ FOX News!
Fox + Conservative media = FOX News, New York Post, The Daily Caller, The Wall Street Journal, Breitbart News Network, Blaze Media, The Gateway Pundit, One America News Outlet, Newsmax, Judicial Watch, Black and Blond Media, Bizpac Review, The Heritage Foundation, MRC NewsBusters, The Federalist, Red State, Russian Today, Life Site News, Hot Air, The Daily Wire, The Washington Free Beacon, The Bondgino Report, The Daily Signal, The Epoch Times, The National Review, The American Conservative, Gannet News, Sinclair Broadcast Group, The Washington Times, 99% of AM radio talk shows, The Daily Stormer……….and those are just the ones of which I, as a liberal, am aware.
Thanks for the information Brian.
Brian– come on– those aren’t conservative news sites–
they are all unbiased bastions of truth– they ALL have no
political leanings one way or another.
They only report the absolute truth, no matter how
hard it might be for their listeners who are only looking for the
truth to handle it.
And you forgot the most truthful social media site–
“truth social” — how could it be anything but unbiased
truth ? it says it right there in the name, and is owned by
a person who has never told a lie.
No– not George Washington or “honest Abe”
And of course there are some very dedicated Fm stations
that hold the values of just reporting unbiased facts to their
patriotic listeners– like WXTK– for instance.
Sad– really sad that some people think they are biased.
They must have learned that while being
“indoctrinated” in third grade.
Most of these are minor players. Thank goodness for the NY Post! It actually reported the hunter biden laptop story (which the Times only recently admitted was real! Lol. The WSJ is the best paper in the country. My friend. You should try it. I do enjoy Fox News as it gives me the rest of stories ignored by the MSM.
well keep watching ! And buy the pillows !
They gotta earn back the $800 million Dominion defamation hit !
Peter, yet again you are very wrong. bordering on being untruthful.
At the risk of my repetition please see Brian’s post.
Put simply, the liberal MSM protected biden as he ran his basement campaign. Then they ignored his obvious health issues. Then they ignored the coup that forced him out. Now they’re busy remaking harris as a visionary obama-like politician along with a “moderate” Walz. Why? They hate trump and will break every journalistic rule to assure he is never elected again. The voters and the country are the worse for it.
Peter– I think you should watch a little left leaning news networks–
They certainly did cover the entire day by day swelling of the
democrat’s calls for him to drop out of the race.
But it seems trump thinks he waS “removed from office” in a “coup”.
And the blathering liars on fox use that term quite
often.
And just the term “basement campaign” is a lie in itself.
If you are referring to the 2020 election, that term was coined
by fox news hosts after Trump went into the basement of the
White house to avoid a group of peaceful protestors.
Harris is a visionary by the way. And Walz is moderate.
And I’m sure you know that after serving his country for 24
years, Walz retired from the army reserves 2 months before
his unit was called to deploy right. Or is that some kind
of liberal lie and Vance is correct that Walz’s unit was called up
and then he resigned. Time lines matter you know.
Don, when I started reading your comment about the media covering the entire day, I thought you were going to say that Trump watched it all on television. One of the officers on January 6 lost his eye ?️ from the violence that day. And when you mentioned “a coup” that is exactly what Trump was trying to do on January 6.
I’ve noticed that every time Trump bad mouths others, he is guilty of the crime. So now, every time he says something negative about someone else, we can count on it: he did it already.
Check out Maureen Dowds recent NYT column whe she admits that is was a palace coup. Biden wad removed by Schumer, Obama and Pelosi, who have admitted as much since. Bidens basement campaign worked (and now harris and walz doing same thing. Why answer tough questions when you can enjoy a massive PR campaign provided by the MSM. Walz lied about his title in the National Guard. He left his troops before they deployed to Iraq, knowing full well what he was doing. His fellow soldiers, including the chaplain have shared their disappointment in his decision. Don’t believe me.
Harris is “a visionary.” Really? You’re not kidding. I think that’s delusional but I’m glad that you admitted your feelings in public for all to see. She’s an empty pant suit who was a national embarrassment a month ago, trending at a miserable 37%. What has changed in 30 days? What has she accomplished to make you call her visionary? Democrat groupthink has taken over, despite the evidence that harris–and Walz–are unqualified, unserious, far left activists. Magically, the media has remade harris the new Obama. Incredible. Reminds me of events in Orwell’s 1984. I’m not falling for this charlatan and I’m hoping most voters won’t either.
No mention of the devastating House impeachment report this week. Crickets. Do you dispute its findings?
“Harris helped bail group raise millions to let loose murderers, rapists and thieves. ” NYP today. Apparently harris helped the controversial Minnesota Freedom Fund raise millions in June of 2020 after the violent riots. The goal was to free protesters in the name of social justice. This is not the vision I have for the country.
Peter, you say that freeing protesters is not the vision you have for our country. How about the January 6th protestors? Should they be let out of jail early and given pardons, like Trump said he would do?
Walz watched and waited as Minneapolis burned. By the time he called in the national guard, it was too late. His social justice mindset prevented him from protecting businesses and personal property. Meanwhile, his wife was enjoying the smell of the fires from her house. You can’t make this stuff up!
Peter, you are right to be deeply concerned about the response to fires in Minneapolis and the children who are unaccounted for after crossing the border. I have lots to say about both but am low on time and imagine these comments are set to close any minute. (Maybe? Am never sure.)
It’s utterly disturbing how ignored these issues have been by the public. I once tried to raise the latter on this site and was basically told those kids don’t matter before—what else?—being redirected to Trump. Even the NY Times, a paper I have no shortage of criticism for, did some in-depth reporting on the subject. Their findings were heartbreaking.
If Walz is moderate, I cannot imagine what far-left looks like. I wish we had more moderate choices.
Put simply, the conservative Fox protects Trump as he runs his beachhouse campaign. Then they ignore his obvious cognitive issues. They ignored the J6 coup attempt. that made Trump look like a fool Now they’re busy remaking Vance as a visionary Trump-like politician along with a “moderate” Johnson. Why? They hate Biden and will break every journalistic rule to assure he dies in disgrace.. The voters and the country are finding Trump to be a tiresome boor.
We have had enough, it is time to move on .
Speaking of “TRUTH”… How much truth can the MVTimes allow?
https://www.algemeiner.com/2024/08/16/anti-israel-media-bias-flares-in-marthas-vineyard-paper/
Actually the Times is far more open to varying comments than the Gazette (or the NYT or Boston Globe)!
Agree, Peter. But i don’t understand the anti-Israel hosting which often clearly crossed the line into antisemitism.
Wow, Jackie thanks for sharing the link and congrats on your honorable mention within the article. Keep fighting the good fight, it’s clearly paying off and you are being heard.
Thanks, Carl. A number of people have objected to the Chabad festival/protesters coverage here, but maybe not as persistently as I have, so i may have just been easier to find to quote. I have no idea how the 3 stories came to the attention of Algemeiner. I’d never heard of that publication until a friend sent me the link.
Maybe Chabad will get an apology from this paper?
You know, Jackie, that goyim hating publication
might be a bit biased.
It’s like reading a brochure from the KKK
that tells you black people are all criminals.
The racists will suck up every word.
Or reading a comment here from an islamophobe
that claims “there are no innocent palestinians” .
The radical Jews will suck up every word.
Algemeiner is the definition of radical.
Your link is an opinion piece by a radical organization– not an indicator of anything
that has anything to do with the truth.
And congratulations on getting your name mentioned.
I wonder if that’s why you posted this radically biased article ?
The spotlight must feel pretty good.
It’s interesting that a post is suddenly nullified because the publication is radical or kkk or racist. But when someone posts from the The Nation or HuffingtonPost or NY Times that is honest news.
andy– what can I say ? The nation, the Huff post
and the “failing” NY Times are honest news.
How long does it take a business to fail, anyway ?
According to you know who, the NY times has been “failing”
for over 8 years. So maybe– just maybe, it’s not failing
and it’s not fake either.
“…that goyim hating publication”~Keller
Algemeiner.com’s reliability on factual information has a rating of “high”, one step below the highest rating of “very high”. To call it a “goyim hating publication” isn’t just untrue, it is an antisemitic untruth. Continuing use of antisemitic tropes, offensive language, and lies about Israel and American Jews–and what they “hate”—is a form of hate speech against all Jews, and yet blatant antisemitism continues to appear in comments and letters to the editor here. I object to it but am grateful i can point it out when it frequently appears.
“Goyim” is a derogatory word, intended to belittle non-Jews. It is not used in decent conversation. It has however been adopted by antisemites of late, used to show their disdain for anything Jewish, including the Yiddish language. There is an antisemitic group calling themselves “goyim defense league”. It is a disgusting, Jew hating group, and this is what Keller is glomming onto every time he uses this word. Keller’s inflammatory antisemitic remarks are an abuse of commenting here. It is hate speech.
Algemeiner.com’s reliability on factual information has a rating of “high”, one step below the highest rating of “very high”.
Who awarded Algemeiner.com. that rating?
Was it a self evaluation.
Like Trump’s evaluation of his presidency?
How joe Biden cheated?
“Goyim” Is a Jewish term for non-Jews.
So many of ‘those’ people are not decent.
Are Jews being antisemitic when they use the the derogatory term goyim?
What are you doing to about the Palestinians.
Keeping the Island free of antisemitics?
Tiresome, ignorant remarks and questions, Hess. Imagine the respect you could earn if you didn’t sound so antisemitic these last 10 months.
Hess, mediabiasfactcheck.com is one place, among many online sites, where you can look up your questions. Is there someone who can show you how to use Google?
Any or all MVTimes commenters who hate Jews need to fact-check outrageous lies before they post them. The moderator cannot fact check all the liars on here. When an antisemite reads anything pro-Jewish, they are triggered and compelled to respond by saying something untrue. For example, it is a lie to call a cited and respected Jewish publication a radical “goyim hating” publication, and it is antisemitic to read the ranting lies of a Jew hater and respond with support for those lies. You see how the biased hate spreads and intensifies? At the very least, one can check online to verify truth or lies. It’s simple. People who are interested in truth, more than the promotion of antisemitic lies, will do that.
I believe the island’s antisemites are here to stay. They’ve always been around but were quiet about it. It’s encouraged to be loud about it these days. I’d prefer they go back to hiding under their rocks. They instead are emboldened now by their “resistance” heroes: Hamas terrorist savages.
Publications like The Algemeiner are more important than is given credit, Albert.
I said earlier that I find it impossible nowadays to track down media sources without bias; sources dedicated to truth above all else. I was speaking of the major outlets, including some that, correctly or incorrectly, I used to have faith in.
I’ve actually found that smaller or more niche papers are doing better on accuracy and thouroughness. Some of them, anyway. They’ve still got a touch of old-school journalism.
Unfortunately, with limited staff and fewer resources, these types of publications cannot report on everything. I go back to seeking out details from the bigger guys and, despite looking at articles with every bend and bias and then attempting to discard those opinionated bits, I’m never confident that I have the full picture.
It’s a rough time for media. I, too, will trust something that Wiesel frequently contributed to long before I’ll believe a paper that denies its readers knowledge of a story’s existence. That’s how I came to part ways with my NY Times subscription. One too many glaring omissions that favored party over facts.
Jewish-focused does not mean—and I hesitate to repeat the term—goyim-hating.
Another conspicuous attempt at painting Jews as frothing via inflammatory language.
Nobel laureate and Holocaust survivor Elie Wiesel was an Algemeiner advisor until his passing in 2016.
Former President Obama described Wiesel as “one of the great moral voices of our time, and in many ways, the conscience of the world.”
Not exactly believable that he, of all highly respected writers and activists, would work with a Klan-esque publication.
Every day, with every made-up remark rooted in anger over reason, we stray further from collective reality.
I don’t know that we’ve left enough breadcrumbs to find our way back.
Fun times, guys. ?
Katie, when you’re talking about straying from the collective reality I’m reminded of the rise of private schools in the Deep South. Why did the white children move to private schools? It was absolutely racism. The kkk-like organizations, and I’m including the party who is pushing for the voucher system to fund schools, is hyper focused on gutting our public school system so the white supremacist organizations can indoctrinate our students. 29 states and DC have some form of voucher program. These states are the most radical regarding vouchers: Arizona, Iowa, Montana, Nebraska, Oklahoma, South Carolina, and Utah. Notice something they all have in common?
The National Education Association (NEA) is trying to illustrate the harm to our public schools. Who is listening?
The kkk isn’t called the “Invisible Empire” for nothing.
You may be right about the breadcrumbs.
Jackie– so it’s disgusting and racist to have a “goyim defense league”
but fine to have to the ADL ?
Ok– the people at the GDL are radical nazi’s and there is no place for that kind
of hate. But in the U.S they have the same rights to present their point of view
as the people at the ADL. Keep in mind, I am a card carrying member of the
ADL and think they do good work. The GDL are nuts…
Welcome to America.
By the way, I have been aware of Algemeiner for quite some time.
They are radical. Trust me—
And I wonder if you think it would be an anti-semitic trope if I were
running for president and called the governor
of Pennsylvania a “highly overrated Jewish governor”. I think you would–
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4841195-donald-trump-josh-shapiro-democratic-national-convention-2024/
I would never vote for such a radical anti-semite, how about you ?
andy ?
Axel ?
Robb ?
Keller I would not vote for Schumer a radical anti semite.
andy– who said anything about Schumer?
But of course you wouldn’t vote for him.
He’s Jewish, after all. And ,as you know,
Jews don’t believe that Jesus was the son
of god and our “saviour”. — or maybe that’s
an anti-semitic lie —I said it after all, and anything
I say about Jews is an anti-semitic lie according to some.
But sadly Jews are barred from heaven for that one “misunderstanding”
Or maybe that’s an anti-christian lie, and heaven
is filled with them. Who knows ?
But back to Schumer. He has been a strong supporter of
Israel since first being elected to congress in 1981.
But now, since he doesn’t agree with the way Netanyahu
is waging the war in Gaza, he is suddenly a radical
anti-semite. Interesting—
You know, I noticed that the IDF recovered the bodies
of 6 more hostages in a military operation last week.
Good for them– everyone wants the hostages home.
But I would prefer to see them returned alive.
And the only way that’s going to happen is
through negotiations.
“They (Algemeiner) are radical. Trust me.”
~Don Keller
Was that “trust me” supposed to be funny, Keller?
I have no problem trusting the truth tellers, like my personal, beloved hero, the late Elie Wiesel. There remains not an antisemite on the planet who can earn my trust or respect. Truth matters.
Andrew, you’re right. And anything that is truthful and pro Israel is viewed as “radical” and “goyim hating” when an antisemite is triggered as we’ve seen often. I’ve been called a “radical Zionist” because I want the remaining hostages released and an end to Hamas terrorism, even though the DNC dedicated important and moving time to this same desire. But I disagree the twisting of truth and reality is “interesting”. I see it as false, dangerous, and venomous hate speech.
Speaking of living in the post truth era, the biggest lie is that president Biden is still managing things from the White House. Sadly, his illness, visible to all, indicates he’s incapable of performing his duties. The MSM has covered for him for months? Years? Americans need to know who is running the country. Clearly, neither biden nor harris are.
Peter, how many people work in the White House? Pick any presidency you like.
No fan of trump but biden/harris/walz so bad he could win.